RENAISSANCE GLOBAL LTD (RGL) Q3 FY23 Earnings Concall Transcript

RENAISSANCE GLOBAL LTD (NSE:RGL) Q3 FY23 Earnings Concall dated Feb. 08, 2023.

Corporate Participants:

Mr. Jenny Rose — Investor Relations

Mr. Sumit Niranjan Shah — Non-Executive Chairman and Global Chief Executive Officer

Mr. Hitesh Mahendrakumar Shah — Managing Director

Analysts:

Amit Doshi — Care PMS — Analyst

Pavan Kumar — RatnaTraya Capital. — Analyst

Aakash Javeri — Perpetual Investment Advisors. — Analyst

Unidentified Participant — — Analyst

Sanket Goradia — RS Investments. — Analyst

Presentation:

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to Renaissance Global Limited’s Earnings Conference Call. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen-only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. [Operator Instructions] Please note, that this call is being recorded.

I now hand the conference over to Mr. Jenny Rose from CDR India. Thank you. And over to you, ma’am.

Mr. Jenny Rose — Investor Relations

Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us on Renaissance Global’s Q3 and 9M FY23 Earnings Conference Call. We have with us today Mr. Sumit Shah, Chairman and Global CEO; and Mr. Hitesh Shah, Managing Director of the Company.

We would like to begin the call with brief opening remarks from the management, following which we will have the forum open for an interactive question-and-answer session.

Before we start, I would like to point out that some statements made in today’s call, may be forward-looking in nature, and a disclaimer to this effect has been included in the results presentation shared with you earlier.

I would now like to invite Mr. Sumit to make his opening remarks. Over to you, Sumit.

Mr. Sumit Niranjan Shah — Non-Executive Chairman and Global Chief Executive Officer

Good afternoon, everyone. On behalf of Renaissance Global, I extend a warm welcome and thank you all for joining us on our earnings conference call for the quarter and nine months ended December 31, 2022.

I will initiate the call by taking you through a brief overview of the company’s operational and business highlights for the period under review, post that, Hitesh will give you a rundown of our financial performance, following which we will have the forum for question-and-answer session.

We have reported a resilient performance during the period under review, despite the ongoing challenging operating environment. Our total income in Q3 stood at INR725 crores, and PAT came in at INR28 crores. For the period, nine months FY 2023, total income came in at INR1,742 crores, up by 4% as compared to 1,672 crores in nine months FY 2022 and PAT for nine months stood at INR68 crores against INR85 crores for the corresponding period last year.

Despite strong global headwinds, we were able to minimize the downward pressure on our revenues for nine months, largely driven by growth in our branded Jewelry division, which is up 20% year-over-year. Our high-margin direct-to-consumer segment remains a priority for us, and we are pleased to — pleased to witness growth even in the current demand scenario.

The annual run rate for the segment has now improved to INR225 crores in the nine months, further improving the two-year revenue CAGR to 86%. We’re thrilled to report that, recently acquired four mining business has achieved breakeven towards the end of the quarter and is now poised to start contributing to our profitability going forward. We expect margins from the direct-to-consumer business to return to the historic range achieved prior to the acquisition in the coming quarter.

We remain committed to executing our integration plan efficiently and effectively, and we will continue to keep you updated on our progress. Additionally, we are pleased to witness continued demand for our branded product from our retail partners.

Looking forward, our strategic endeavor is to achieve over 50% sales from the branded segment in the next three to four years. Branded jewelry has contributed 26% of total revenue for nine months FY 2023 as compared to 23% in nine months FY 2022.

Our overall EBITDA margins have been impacted by inflationary pressures, which are expected to persist in the short-term. Nevertheless, we are determined to grow our direct-to-consumer business at an aggressive pace and envision an improvement in margins in the medium to long-term.

Overall, the current external challenges seem to be transitory in nature and certainly not structural. Although retail demand in the U.S. and Europe may stay sluggish for the next quarter, these two regions continue to be the largest consumer markets in the world.

To conclude, while the near-term environment remains challenging, we continue to focus on our strategy of growing our branded business. As we approach towards the end of the fiscal year and keeping the macroeconomic realities in mind, our revenue for FY 2023 is expected to decrease between two years to ten years — 10% between — INR1,970 crores to INR250 crores for the year, and profit after tax is anticipated to decline to between INR85 crores to INR100 crores.

We believe that our direct-to-consumer approach will allow us to tap into a growing market of next-generation jewelry customers and create value for all stakeholders in an efficient manner.

I would now like to hand over the call to Mr. Hitesh Shah to discuss our financial performance during the quarter. Over to you, Hitesh.

Mr. Hitesh Mahendrakumar Shah — Managing Director

Thank you, Sumit. Good afternoon, everyone. A challenging economic scenario in Western markets created downward pressure in our revenues. However, it was partially offset by solid contribution from our direct-to-consumer business.

In Q3 of FY 2023, our total income stood at INR725 crores compared to INR775 crores in Q3 of FY 2022, down by 6%. While for nine months of FY 2023, total income grew by 4% and to INR1,742 crores as compared to INR1,672 crores in the same period last year.

Our guided sales in Q3 stood at INR234 crores up by 19% year-over-year with contribution of branded jewelry revenue to total revenue being as high as 32%. In nine months of FY 2023, revenue share of studded jewelry stood at 89%. Of the total studded jewelry revenues, branded jewelry contributed 30%.

During Q3 of FY 2023, direct-to-consumer business posted revenues of INR88 crores as compared to INR49 crores in Q3 of FY 2022, registering a growth of 80%. For the nine months period of FY 2023, our direct-to-consumer business revenue was up by 83% to INR173 crores as compared to INR94 crores in the same period last year.

Revenues from our plain gold segment grew by 21% year-over-year to INR65 crores in Q3. And for the nine-month period, it grew by 76% year-over-year to INR190 crores.

On the profitability front, EBITDA stood at INR50 crores in Q3 of FY 2023 and for the nine months period, it stood at INR130 crores, translating into margins of 6.9% and 7.5%, respectively.

For the nine months period, branded jewelry business reported an EBITDA of 12.6% margin and the D2C business registered a 12.4% EBITDA margin. D2C business EBITDA margins are compressed due to integration costs from our newly acquired Four Mine Inc. business. The business has now achieved breakeven, while we build scale and is poised to positively contribute to our profitability moving forward. We anticipate a return to our historic D2C margins in the next few quarters.

In Q3 of FY ’23, profit after tax after discontinued operations came at INR28 crores versus INR33 crores in the corresponding period last year, while for the nine months ended 31st December, PAT stood at INR68 crores against INR85 crores in the same period last year.

Now in terms of our balance sheet, our net debt-to-equity ratio stands at a healthy 0.30 as of December 31st, 2022 versus 0.41 as of September. Our total net debt stand at INR291 crores, and our cash and bank balances and current investments stand at a healthy INR226 crores. We have generated a cash flow of INR149 crores for the trailing 12 months ending 31st December 2022 on the back of aggressive working capital reduction.

To conclude, we have reported a stable performance despite a difficult macroeconomic environment. As one of the leading industry players, we have a strong financial position, and we remain confident of our ability to navigate through this challenging period and deliver strong performance in the future.

On that note, I would now request the moderator to open the forum for any questions or suggestions that you may have. Thank you.

Questions and Answers:

Operator

Thank you very much. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] The first question is from the line of Amit Doshi from Care PMS. Please go ahead.

Amit Doshi — Care PMS — Analyst

Yeah. Thank you. Sir, about a year back, I think we had started our activities in China. Can you share any update on that, how things are shaping up now?

Mr. Sumit Niranjan Shah — Non-Executive Chairman and Global Chief Executive Officer

Sure. So, I think we did a test with one of the larger chains in China for Enchanted Disney Fine Jewelry. I think after the test period, I think China went through the significant lockdown phase due to which the performance of the brand was not satisfactory. So we’ve sort of wound up the test in China, and we don’t expect China to contribute to revenues going forward.

Amit Doshi — Care PMS — Analyst

Okay. Second, Sir, this customer brand business that we have, can you explain the reason — from a 7% EBITDA margin to 4%, it’s like parallel to the gold business that you do. So how do you kind of read that?

Mr. Sumit Niranjan Shah — Non-Executive Chairman and Global Chief Executive Officer

Yes. So I think the customer brand business has been impacted by sort of negative operating leverage, right? I mean I think that as sales have gone down, some of the cost structures here have led to deleverage on the operating front. I think that as the market stabilizes and the macro situation improves, we expect to go back to sort of historical 7% to 8% margins on the customer brand front going forward.

Amit Doshi — Care PMS — Analyst

Okay. Okay. So it’s more about the demand side and not on the cost…

Mr. Sumit Niranjan Shah — Non-Executive Chairman and Global Chief Executive Officer

Yeah.

Amit Doshi — Care PMS — Analyst

Okay. Okay.

Mr. Sumit Niranjan Shah — Non-Executive Chairman and Global Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, because we were down 18% for the quarter, our margins have gone down.

Amit Doshi — Care PMS — Analyst

Right, right, right, right. And so as and when our D2C or the branded business is increasing, our working capital cycle is kind of extending. Is that correct understanding?

Mr. Sumit Niranjan Shah — Non-Executive Chairman and Global Chief Executive Officer

I think the working capital cycle is — has sort of gone down. So I think if you look at compared to one year ago, our working capital number of days have gone from 198 days to 188 days because the direct-to-consumer business requires less inventory, it’s more working capital efficient and has less receivable days as well. So we would expect our working capital days to actually improve meaningfully as direct-to-consumer becomes a larger part of the business, especially the Four Mine Inc. business is extremely working capital efficient because it’s a made-to-order business where we manufacture the jewelry after the order is received. So while we’ve seen an improvement year-over-year, I think the fair comparison really is December to December because of seasonality the number of working capital has improved by 10 days in the last 12-month period.

Amit Doshi — Care PMS — Analyst

Okay. Actually, I was looking at the slide where FY 2019 is showing around 155 days, 154 days, and of course, then it jumped to 198 days, which you’re referring to in December 2021 and now back to 188?

Mr. Sumit Niranjan Shah — Non-Executive Chairman and Global Chief Executive Officer

Yes. So I think the historical numbers are not comparable because we changed our accounting policy last year, whereby we are actually reporting revenues of the gold division on sort of a net basis. So because of the non-comparability of that FY 2020 and 2021 would not be a fair comparison, which is mentioned in the notes below.

Amit Doshi — Care PMS — Analyst

Right, right, right, right. But I — okay, I didn’t expect such a heavy impact on that. Okay. Got it.

Mr. Sumit Niranjan Shah — Non-Executive Chairman and Global Chief Executive Officer

On a like-for-like basis, it’s gone from 213 days to 188 days effectively, if you were to compare on the older accounting methodology.

Amit Doshi — Care PMS — Analyst

Okay. Okay. Okay. And you mentioned about this inflationary trend. So what — I mean, typically, do you expect going forward that how that inflationary pressure, so primarily, you are talking about the diamond, the cost? I mean, what kind of costs are facing in inflationary pressure? And how do you see that going forward? I mean, you already gave a guidance about the quarter, next quarter, in FY 2023, I am looking slightly more medium term in that sense?

Mr. Sumit Niranjan Shah — Non-Executive Chairman and Global Chief Executive Officer

Sure. So I think that the commodity prices went up meaningfully in the beginning of calendar year 2022. It took us a couple of quarters to pass on those increases to customers. So from a gross margin perspective, I would say that we are largely stabilized and passed on cost increases to customers. I think that just in general inflationary pressures has definitely caused a demand slowdown because jewelry is a discretionary purchase. So because of which we’ve seen sort of a demand side issue in terms of our gross margins and our ability to pass on prices to customers, we’ve already kind of done that and the gross margins are now sort of at a stable level where we expect them to be.

Amit Doshi — Care PMS — Analyst

Okay. Okay. Okay. Thank you. That’s all from my side. I wish you all the very best.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Pavan Kumar from RatnaTraya Capital. Please go ahead.

Pavan Kumar — RatnaTraya Capital. — Analyst

Sir, can you comment about the overall EBITDA margin, actually, we are expecting some increase in direct-to-consumer business margins, but the segment itself has been under pressure. So what’s your view going forward?

Mr. Sumit Niranjan Shah — Non-Executive Chairman and Global Chief Executive Officer

Yes. So I think that the direct-to-consumer segment has margins have gone down primarily due to the acquisition of Four Mine Inc. We acquired the business in February of ’22. And the business lost money up until the month of October. So the margins are kind of depressed because of the acquisition. We’ve incurred sort of significant integration costs and initial losses. Our expectation would be that in a few quarters, you would see a significant improvement in the margins of the D2C business as the acquisition has now sort of broken even and is profitable on a go-forward basis?

Pavan Kumar — RatnaTraya Capital. — Analyst

Okay. Okay. And can you also please make us understand contribution of Four Mine Inc to Q3 or revenues and PAT.

Mr. Sumit Niranjan Shah — Non-Executive Chairman and Global Chief Executive Officer

So we haven’t provided that those numbers yet in Q3 and for the current year. I think at the end of the year, we’ll break down Four Mine Inc within the D2C segment and will provide more visibility going forward so that investors are able to sort of look at the margin profile separately. So I think going forward, we’ll provide visibility into the numbers.

Pavan Kumar — RatnaTraya Capital. — Analyst

How is the business model different from other franchise models, sir.

Mr. Sumit Niranjan Shah — Non-Executive Chairman and Global Chief Executive Officer

Sorry, could you repeat the question?

Pavan Kumar — RatnaTraya Capital. — Analyst

How is this business model different from our other franchise models.

Mr. Sumit Niranjan Shah — Non-Executive Chairman and Global Chief Executive Officer

Yes. So Four Mine Inc, we sort of own the brand. It’s a lab-grown diamond — lab-ground diamond brand, where we are focused on selling engagement rings. Our — the remainder of our direct-to-consumer business is all licensed brands. So one primary difference is own brand versus licensed brands. Second primary differentiator is it’s primarily a lab grown business as compared to a natural diamond business, which is the remainder of our direct-to-consumer businesses. And it’s a made-to-order business where we carry zero working capital. In fact, it’s a net working capital positive because the customer pays money first, after which we acquired the goods and deliver a product to the customer at about 11 days after receipt of the order. So from a working capital perspective, it’s highly efficient. And as I mentioned earlier, primarily lab grown focused on selling our own brand.

Pavan Kumar — RatnaTraya Capital. — Analyst

Okay. Thanks, sir. That was for…

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Aakash Javeri from Perpetual Investment Advisors. Please go ahead.

Aakash Javeri — Perpetual Investment Advisors. — Analyst

Hi. Thank you for the opportunity. My first question is that you mentioned the retail demand in U.S. will remain sluggish for the next quarter. Could you just throw some light on how you expect it in FY ’24 and the rest of the calendar year?

Mr. Sumit Niranjan Shah — Non-Executive Chairman and Global Chief Executive Officer

Sure. So I think that what we saw in the past year was that the entry-level product was impacted a lot more than the mid-priced product and the higher level product, because there’s a certain type of consumer who was, I think, more impacted by inflation. So that’s point number one.

What we are seeing now with — as inflation, year-over-year inflation eases, we are seeing more of a normalization trend in the retail sales data. So qualitatively, when we looked at January sales data of our retail partners, we are seeing the negative numbers go away and more of a normalization of demand.

So I think as to when we’ll start seeing year-over-year growth, I think it’s a matter of time, but we are seeing the negative trends abating a little bit now, and we hope to start to see positive numbers in the next quarter or two. So that would be the visibility that we would have initially. I think that it would be early to tell how FY ’24 would do, but I think we are quite optimistic to be able to return to growth in FY ’24.

Aakash Javeri — Perpetual Investment Advisors. — Analyst

Okay. And what gives you confidence that our D2C brands will do so well, and Four Mining acquisition that we’ve done on a low base, we’ve been doing well. But what gives us the confidence that in the next one year, if the rest of the market remains — there is not that much visibility, then what gives us confidence that we’ll be able to grow that part of the business?

Mr. Sumit Niranjan Shah — Non-Executive Chairman and Global Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. So I think that the Four Mining business is really focused around lab-grown diamonds and lab-grown diamonds have significantly gained market share in the US. So we are really the only vertically integrated player competing in this space. So there’s probably about four, five brands in the direct-to-consumer lab-grown diamond space that are meaningful in size. I mean, obviously, we have competitors who are a lot larger than us.

We think structurally it’s a market that is growing very rapidly and potentially can be quite large because the lab-grown diamond, sort of, engagement rings are still a very small percentage of the overall market. So it’s a growing market. We’re an integrated player with significant cost advantages and delivery time line advantages, and we have the design capability since we do significant investments since we have a large B2B business.

So I think a lot of the building blocks are there. I think we have to focus on execution and building the brand the right way. And we are fairly confident that we should be able to continue to grow this business with a long ramp for growth going forward.

Aakash Javeri — Perpetual Investment Advisors. — Analyst

Thank you so much and all the best.

Mr. Sumit Niranjan Shah — Non-Executive Chairman and Global Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Amit Doshi from Care PMS. Please go ahead.

Amit Doshi — Care PMS — Analyst

Yeah. Thanks for the follow-up. For this announcement in budget about lab-grown diamonds, how do you see that impacting Renaissance Global?

Mr. Sumit Niranjan Shah — Non-Executive Chairman and Global Chief Executive Officer

So I think there is no immediate impact. I think there’s clearly a focus as the government recognizes that this is something that — which is going to be a huge growth area for the company. And I think we are very focused currently on building the front-end for this and building consumer demand. I think at some point in the future, we need to see if we want to backward integrate into the growing process.

But currently, we have no plans. We really plan to build out the front-end and build the demand side of this, because really our key differentiator, the ability to design, manufacture and deliver a great brand experience to the consumer. So we plan to stay focused on this part of the business.

Amit Doshi — Care PMS — Analyst

Okay. So this is something more for somebody who is — I mean, into manufacturing lab-grown diamonds.

Mr. Sumit Niranjan Shah — Non-Executive Chairman and Global Chief Executive Officer

Lab-grown diamonds.

Amit Doshi — Care PMS — Analyst

Lab-grown diamonds. Okay. Okay. Thank you so much. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Dharma Venkatesan, an individual investor. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Participant — — Analyst

Thank you for the opportunity. I’m new to this company. So I just want to understand that how we are promoting our D2C brands, what are the kind of advertising we’re doing, in case we are doing? So I just wanted more clarity on what we are exactly doing in the D2C brands?

Mr. Sumit Niranjan Shah — Non-Executive Chairman and Global Chief Executive Officer

Sure, sure. So we currently are investing significant sum of money in terms of our overall revenue in growing the brands, primarily its digital marketing. So just to give you a perspective on our INR225 crores revenue for the current year, we would be spending between INR60 crores and INR70 crores on advertising in the current financial year. This is basically split up between top of the funnel and bottom of the funnel marketing, primarily between Google and Facebook advertising platforms. It’s a mix between performance marketing and brand building, but it’s primarily digital marketing spent on these two platforms to get customers.

Unidentified Participant — — Analyst

Okay. Thank you. And I was going through your presentation. So the consumer brand segment had actually degrowth there around 20%. So is there like demand destruction which is happening because of this inflation think which is prevalent in the western countries? And how do you see this going forward into the next financial year?

Mr. Sumit Niranjan Shah — Non-Executive Chairman and Global Chief Executive Officer

Yes. So I think that we saw significant commodity price inflation in the early half of 2022, due to which the consumer, definitely their wallets were stretched, and we saw negative year-over-year numbers in terms of retail demand.

As I mentioned to earlier caller that we are seeing positive trends starting January as inflation has abated. So we are hopeful that in the next couple of quarters, these numbers should stabilize and improve.

Unidentified Participant — — Analyst

Okay, Sir. Thank you for color.

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Sanket Goradia from RS Investments. Please go ahead.

Sanket Goradia — RS Investments. — Analyst

Hi. Thank you for the opportunity. I have two questions. One was on the acquisition side, if we’re looking at any potential acquisition now? And the second part of that comes from the cash that we’re holding. Are we looking at using that maybe for the acquisition or a buyback or increase in any kind of dividend payout? Thank you.

Mr. Sumit Niranjan Shah — Non-Executive Chairman and Global Chief Executive Officer

So yes, thank you for the question. We are not looking at any further acquisitions in the near term. I think that between growing Four Mine Inc. and our branded business. I mean, I think that we’ve definitely got a long runway for growth. I mean, we also have a small retail business in India, Irasva, which is showing some nice green shoots with store-level profitability being achieved. So I think that we’ve got multiple drivers of growth in the existing businesses that we have between the licensing business, Four Mine Inc., as well as the India retail business, which will become meaningful over a period of time, but we are seeing good unit economics coming out of that business.

So I think focusing on gaining efficiencies out of the existing businesses and growing them will be the focus. I think that at the current — current moment in time the Board hasn’t decided on any buyback or increase dividends, but we’ve meaningfully reduced the gross debt down year-over-year. So we’ve gone from INR549 crores of gross borrowings to INR469 crores. And within the current interest rate environment, it sort of makes sense to pay down the debt and derisk the company from that perspective. So capital allocation decisions will be made by the Board going forward, but we have been using some of the money to pay down the debt as you see from our balance sheet from December.

Sanket Goradia — RS Investments. — Analyst

Thank you, Sumit.

Mr. Sumit Niranjan Shah — Non-Executive Chairman and Global Chief Executive Officer

Yes. Thank you.

Sanket Goradia — RS Investments. — Analyst

I’ll go back in the queue

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Ladies and gentlemen, as there are no further questions, I would now like to hand the conference over to the management for closing comments.

Mr. Sumit Niranjan Shah — Non-Executive Chairman and Global Chief Executive Officer

Thank you. I hope we’ve been able to answer all your questions. Should you need any further clarifications or know more about the company, please feel free to contact our Investor Relations team. We hope to have your valuable support on a continued basis as we move ahead. Thank you.

Mr. Hitesh Mahendrakumar Shah — Managing Director

Thank you.

Operator

[Operator Closing Remarks]