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IRB InvIT Fund (BSE: 540526) Q2 2025 Earnings Call dated Oct. 29, 2024<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

Corporate Participants:<\/h2>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong> \u2014 Chief Executive Officer<\/em><\/p>\n

Rushabh Gandhi<\/strong> \u2014 Chief Financial Officer<\/em><\/p>\n

Analysts:<\/h2>\n

Dayalal Bhut<\/strong> \u2014 Analyst<\/em><\/p>\n

Ramdas Khanna<\/strong> \u2014 Analyst<\/em><\/p>\n

Dhiraj Dave<\/strong> \u2014 Analyst<\/em><\/p>\n

Vaibhav Shah<\/strong> \u2014 Analyst<\/em><\/p>\n

Saurabh Chhabra<\/strong> \u2014 Analyst<\/em><\/p>\n

Sarvesh Gupta<\/strong> \u2014 Analyst<\/em><\/p>\n

Presentation:<\/h2>\n

Operator<\/strong><\/p>\n

Good morning. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the IRB InvIT call hosted by company for discussing the financial results for the quarter ended September 2024. We have with us today on the call Mr. Vinod K. Menon, Mr. Anil Yadav, Mr. Rushabh Gandhi and Ms. Swapna Vengurlekar from IRB InvIT team. [Operator Instructions]<\/p>\n

Please note that the duration of the call would be 45 minutes and any queries left unanswered after the call can be subsequently mailed to the management for adequate response and resolution. Please note that this conference is being recorded.<\/p>\n

I now request Mr. Menon to give you an overview of a significant development during the quarter. Over to you, sir.<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong> \u2014 Chief Executive Officer<\/em><\/p>\n

Yes. Thank you. Good morning, and a happy Dhanteras to all. I would like to welcome all the investors and analysts on the call. Hope you have reviewed our detailed numbers as well as the presentation. Toll collection for this quarter was significantly impacted due to heavy rains across India with many states witnessing their highest rainfall this monsoon, leading to flooding. Despite the impact of heavy rains, toll collection has shown growth. As compared to the corresponding quarter of the previous year, we have observed 4% growth in the toll revenue. Generally, the second half of fiscal is better than the first half. And considering the historical trends, we believe that there will be better traffic growth in the coming quarters.<\/p>\n

We are distributing INR2 per unit for the quarter ended September 30, 2024. This quarter, we will be distributing INR1.20 in form of interest, INR0.23 per unit in the form of dividend and INR0.57 in the form of the return of capital. Till date, since the Trust IPO way back in the year 2017, its cumulative distribution has reached INR4,083 crores, that is INR70.35 per unit, which means 69% of the aggregate fund used — raised.<\/p>\n

During the current quarter ended September 2024, dividend has been distributed by MVR SPV. The said SPV continues to follow the old tax regime. Accordingly, based on our knowledge, the said distribution in the form of dividend shall be tax exempt in the hands of the unitholders. The investment manager on behalf of the trust continues to evaluate potential investment opportunities. The net debt to value of assets of the trust is at 0.3:1, which provides sufficient debt capacity for acquiring new assets.<\/p>\n

On the acquisition front, HAM assets from the sponsor group that is Vadodara-Mumbai Package 7, Pathankot-Mandi are expected to be completed in FY ’25. Chittoor-Thatchur is expected to be completed in FY ’26. Once completed, the said assets shall have — shall be available for offer to the Trust. As communicated earlier, we have completed the refinancing of the Trust debt, and we will complete the VK1 SPV debt post receipt of approval from NHAI.<\/p>\n

I will now request Mr. Rushabh Gandhi to take you through the financial performance for the quarter. Over to you, Rushabh.<\/p>\n

Rushabh Gandhi<\/strong> \u2014 Chief Financial Officer<\/em><\/p>\n

Thank you, sir. I will now present the financial analysis for the quarter ended September ’24 as compared to the quarter ended September ’23. The total consolidated income for the quarter ended September ’24 stood at INR271 crores as compared to INR258 crores for the corresponding quarter of previous year. The consolidated toll revenue for the quarter ended September ’24 stood at INR228 crores as against INR218 crores for the quarter ended September ’23. EBITDA for the quarter ended September ’24 stood at INR224 crores as against INR214 crores for the corresponding quarter of previous year. Interest cost, which includes interest on premium deferment for the quarter ended September ’24 stood at INR72 crores as against INR68 crores for the corresponding quarter of previous year.<\/p>\n

Depreciation, which includes amortization on toll collection right for the current quarter stood at INR64 crores as against INR56 crores for the corresponding quarter of previous year. The profit after tax for the current quarter stood at INR85 crores as against INR88 crores for the corresponding quarter of previous year.<\/p>\n

I will now request the moderator to open the session for Q&A.<\/p>\n

Questions and Answers:<\/h2>\n

Operator<\/strong><\/p>\n

Thank you very much. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] The first question is from the line of Dayalal Bhut [Phonetic] an individual investor. Please go ahead.<\/p>\n

Dayalal Bhut<\/strong><\/p>\n

Good morning sir. Thanks for the opportunity to ask the questions. My questions pertain to market driven price of IRB InvIT, which is around INR62 present, which includes INR2 current distribution. You will understand that the investor community is highly disappointed due to the actually poor performance of IRB InvIT after listing. I would like to know if you have ever taken issue of buyback with the regulatory authority that is SEBI for, they are exist and invent forum who presents the InvIT issue to SEBI. [Indecipherable] InvIT is allowed to raise the fund via QIP, they should be allowed to buy back and [Indecipherable] it is also to be noted that related parties that is sponsor are allowed to buy shares or place the invites by open market then why does the InvIT itself left if you buy the InvIT received, it will improve upon the unit by customers in the open market as well as the unit price related to the [Indecipherable] as if you buy the units and stay invested, InvIT will be getting around 12% return where the interest cost InvIT is paying around 8.5%, kindly share your calculation. Thank you sir.<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

With regard to buyback, definitely not only we, but other InvITs has also reached to SEBI. And there the regulators’ view is that InvIT is formed with the object to distributing 90% of the cash flow to the unitholder. And if regulator will allow to buy back, the basic premise of 90% distribution to the all unitholders, that will fail. And that’s why they are of the view that InvIT should not be allowed to buy back its units. And that’s why in spite of representation from the Federation, in spite of the representation from the other InvIT also, the regulator has not permitted a buyback of the units.<\/p>\n

Dayalal Bhut<\/strong><\/p>\n

That’s fine. But you can repurchase on the open market and stay invested out of the 10% and 90% you are distributing, 10% is the savings with InvIT. InvIT is not buying any assets. So the fund is lying with the InvIT. So let InvIT be investing certain [Indecipherable]?<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

Sir, if you look at — if you are talking about our InvIT, we are historically paying 95% to 98% of the funds generated by the InvIT. So we are distributing almost whatever is generated by the InvITs in terms of retention, we don’t have any significant amount available. Secondly, one is with respect to the amount, other is with respect to the regulation. If regulation is not there, the provisions for buyback is not there in the regulation, it’s difficult to buy back the units and which will not be in line with the current regulation.<\/p>\n

Dayalal Bhut<\/strong><\/p>\n

But sir, sponsors are allowed to buy shares, everything.<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yes, yes.<\/p>\n

Dayalal Bhut<\/strong><\/p>\n

You should have put up issue with SEBI or your forum should have put up the issue with the forum — SEBI [Indecipherable] written process — taken up issue with the SEBI.<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

Sir, we have written to SEBI along with the other — through our federations. And in terms of the sponsor, as you rightly mentioned, the sponsor is free to buy the units of the InvIT. So there is no restriction in terms of sponsor buying the units of the trust.<\/p>\n

Dayalal Bhut<\/strong><\/p>\n

Thank you sir. My second question is how much yearly fees are paid to investment manager managing the [Indecipherable] of each year? Second in that investment manager contribution adding the asset for each year in that total number of assets evaluated including third party and the approximate value, number of third-party asset values and effort by InvIT with approximate value, number of sponsor asset value and InvIT from the sponsor with approximate value and number of sponsor assets valued but lost to the private InvIT of the sponsor.<\/p>\n

Rushabh Gandhi<\/strong><\/p>\n

So basically, over the year, the Trust — the investment manager on behalf of the Trust has evaluated more than 30 projects. And during this tenure, two projects were evaluated from the sponsor side. One was in September 2017, which was Amritsar-Pathankot project and the other was which we acquired recently, the HAM asset Vadodara Kim project in October ’22. Apart from that [Speech Overlap] and the public InvIT platform, both are formed for a different purpose. So private InvIT platform was for under development projects. So the sponsor has transferred under construction assets to the private InvIT. And for public InvIT, only mature assets are acquired and evaluated.<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

So I think what — just to add what Rushabh has said, the objective of the two InvITs are totally different. If you look at the private InvIT, it’s a development platform and they acquire mostly under construction asset that is on BOT, where public InvIT has a restriction in terms of acquiring those assets. In fact, the project which is evaluated by the private InvIT, the public InvIT has not evaluated. And in fact, the project with 30 projects which Rushabh has talked about, there, in fact, the private InvIT has not evaluated those assets because those were matured asset. And those were only evaluated by the public InvIT only. So there is no conflict between two InvITs and there is not a single project where both the InvITs were contending to buy the asset.<\/p>\n

Operator<\/strong><\/p>\n

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Ramdas Khanna from Swadeshi Raiment Private Limited. Please go ahead.<\/p>\n

Ramdas Khanna<\/strong><\/p>\n

My question is that what is the schedule of the return of the capital over the remaining life of the assets? How will the capital be returned? All your capital will be returned after — at the end of the expiry period of the Trust?<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

So I think if you look at the valuation report that…<\/p>\n

Ramdas Khanna<\/strong><\/p>\n

That is all right. Kindly excuse me. Valuation is all right. I’m asking the return of the schedule. So how will the capital be returned? How my capital invested in the InvIT — I’m getting interest, it’s all right. I’m getting dividend. How will I get my capital back or I will not get my capital.<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

Sir, along with the return, you will get your capital also back. And in fact, in the past, we have done a capital repayment. And on that basis, the capital repayment will happen as the project will enter in the fag end of the concession, there will be capital repayment will start. So sir, if I will just explain in the technical concept, if I’m infusing today, for example, INR65 in the InvIT, so that INR65 will be a negative kind of — that is outflow for me. And whatever I will get over the period of time, that will be inflow for me. So both inflow and considering the outflow and inflow, the IRR which InvIT is offering is ranges from 14% to 16%. When I talk about IRR of 14% to 16%, it means after repayment of my capital, I will get a return of 14% to 16%.<\/p>\n

Ramdas Khanna<\/strong><\/p>\n

I do not want the return — IRR may be giving me more interest. I want my safety of capital also. At the end of the period, my capital is not to be returned. That is what my request is. You may distribute that interest, but my capital should be protected. Otherwise, we small shareholders will suffer heavily at the end of the term.<\/p>\n

Rushabh Gandhi<\/strong><\/p>\n

So basically, sir, we distribute in three forms. One is the interest [Speech Overlap] charging interest to the SPV for the debt given to the underlying SPV — for that, that is one form is interest. The other is dividend. Wherever the SPVs are generating book profits, in those cases, in our case, it’s MVR. So dividend is getting distributed. And apart from that, wherever there is a principal repayment, those amounts is getting distributed in the form of return of capital. So basically, the Trust is distributing to the unitholders in three forms. One is interest, the other is dividend and the third is return of capital. So of which the interest currently is taxable in the hands of unitholders, dividend since the underlying SPV is following the old tax regime that is exempt. And the third return of capital which as the recent tax summit would go on reducing the investment value.<\/p>\n

Ramdas Khanna<\/strong><\/p>\n

Right, sir. But I am not clear how will my capital will be protected. I will get maximum return. I’m getting very good return. There’s no doubt about it, whether at the cost of my capital — actually the question is where is — at the cost of my capital. Will my capital at the end of the year will be completely paid back — [Indecipherable] whichever capital loss?<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

Sir, over the period of time, definitely, you will get your capital back. That’s why I was trying to explain if you have…<\/p>\n

Ramdas Khanna<\/strong><\/p>\n

Thank you very much. Thank you. If you are [Indecipherable] if capital will be returned back, we are happy very much.<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

Sure. Thank you.<\/p>\n

Operator<\/strong><\/p>\n

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Dhiraj Dave from Samvad Financial Services LLP. Please go ahead.<\/p>\n

Dhiraj Dave<\/strong><\/p>\n

Sir can you hear me?<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yes, yes. Go ahead.<\/p>\n

Dhiraj Dave<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yes. So one thing I want to figure out basically on this Pathankot-Amritsar highway, you see drop in particularly traffic. So any specific reason, at least if we compare first half and second half — first half this year and first half data, which has been shared in presentation. So besides the agitation of farmers and you have given a disclosure, so that is there but this is becoming now a consistent problem for us that every time there is agitation, how exactly management to view that?<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

I think, sir, there are a couple of things. One, with respect to the agitation period. If you look at the past period also for agitation, we have got an equivalent number of days extension in concession period and 50% of interest in O&M. And based on the calculation as per NHAI.<\/p>\n

Dhiraj Dave<\/strong><\/p>\n

Okay. Now just one more small question. So is it NAV accretive for us when we — the tenure get extended?<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

Sir, I was coming to that. In fact, our IRR is fully protected and it will be NPV accretive because if you look at typically the cost of debt is around 8.5%, 9% and cost of equity is around 12%, 13%. The weighted average cost of capital comes around 10% and your growth — yearly growth should be 8% to 10%. And plus you are getting a cost on compensation also. If you will do a simple math, it will be always NPV accretive and NPV attractive. And with regard to, sir, growth, I think because of monsoon, severe monsoon, overall projects were impacted. And typically wherever the mining traffic is higher, typically you’ll have more severe impact of the monsoon on those projects as compared to wherever we have lower mining traffic.<\/p>\n

Dhiraj Dave<\/strong><\/p>\n

So basically, Jaipur-Delhi as well as Pathankot-Amritsar, that too broadly having the more share of mining-related traffic, right?<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yes. But sir, Jaipur as falls in Rajasthan, there even in spite of the — there the number of rain days are pretty low as compared to the rains in the Punjab.<\/p>\n

Rushabh Gandhi<\/strong><\/p>\n

And in Rajasthan, the Supreme Court has already allowed the mining part.<\/p>\n

Dhiraj Dave<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yes. And the second part is that in past, we faced some issue when there were tension on border area, particularly on Pathankot-Amritsar. So can we take some insurance or some kind of means avenue which we can explore for some kind of contingency or — because I don’t know whether that gets covered into merger with NHAI. I think in past, management did give some indication that the traffic was restricted due to movement or Army taking some kind of control on that part. So is that a risk? And how management see that happening again and again?<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

I think, sir, with respect to loss of revenue, typically, insurance company does not provide those kind of cover. And anyway, if you are eligible for compensation, NHAI will pay only the difference where if you have INR100 loss, if you get INR10 from the insurance, then only INR90 will be paid back by the NHAI.<\/p>\n

Dhiraj Dave<\/strong><\/p>\n

Point well taken. My only limited question is basically, in case military decides that, okay, there is no civilian traffic movement on that road for whatever condition which may arise in border area. In such situation, what is the recourse InvIT has? They say that, okay, for one month for whatever reason, [Indecipherable]. And one month, they restrict just a military control kind of that road because that’s very strategic for us as a country. So in that scenario, what happens to us?<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

Sir, there is force majeure clause in the concession agreement.<\/p>\n

Dhiraj Dave<\/strong><\/p>\n

It covers this.<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

If you have those kind of situation for more than seven days, you can ask for the compensation.<\/p>\n

Dhiraj Dave<\/strong><\/p>\n

Fair enough. That answers, that’s fine. Now one more submission from my side, sir. Basically, we always get six monthly — particularly September and March quarter, we get six monthly numbers, audited account. If you look at other InvIT, they do provide quarterly like listed companies provide quarterly, half yearly or nine monthly or whatever kind of format, but they do provide us a quarterly number because otherwise, we have to take June quarter and then we did a September cumulative minus June and get September quarter number. And this would be simple and all other InvITs do disclose that. At least India Grid I’m sure know for sure where I’ve invested and even Power Grid and other InvIT also. So my submission, we have accepted many suggestions which investors had made. This would be simpler, at least provide us the quarterly data because last quarter, otherwise, we get a half yearly data. So just NCDF, your results, everything comes September six months. So why not to make September three months? And September 6 months if regulatory required, please put that also. No issue on that. But as September 2024 and September 2023, three month data also. We request henceforth — at least give us quarterly data because otherwise, we have to do a calculation.<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

Sir, definitely, we will provide. Only issue was that the statutory auditor typically agrees to sign whatever statutory required. But since this is the suggestion coming from the investor, we will minutize…<\/p>\n

Dhiraj Dave<\/strong><\/p>\n

And you can tell your statutory auditors at all companies, you look at InvIT, India Grid InvIT, you look at other Bharat InvIT, most of them provide quarterly data, REIT. So it should not be an issue with auditor. At least you can give multiple kind of examples. So if those auditors are signing, why should our auditors have any objection to that. And we are looking at quarterly. So if it is coming at half yearly data, definitely has done three months plus three months, right? We haven’t done six month audit now. So I can’t understand if auditor can have an issue on that.<\/p>\n

And if there is issue, then you have to request auditor rather than to tell investors that you need to do that because all across, you can go — you can download, your finance person can download all results of all InvITs. And if you want, I will send across. So there should not be issue. And in fact, I remember two years back, I requested that, give a quarterly number. So that is why I appreciate your all efforts basically you now giving us sufficient time to ask questions. So all that part we appreciate, and we do look forward to this positive step as well. Wish you all the best for the future.<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

Sure sir. Thank you.<\/p>\n

Operator<\/strong><\/p>\n

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Vaibhav Shah from JM Financial. Please go ahead.<\/p>\n

Vaibhav Shah<\/strong><\/p>\n

Thanks for the opportunity. Sir, firstly, in the stand-alone number, what is the impairment related to in one of the subsidiaries and which is a subsidiary?<\/p>\n

Rushabh Gandhi<\/strong><\/p>\n

The impairment relates to the investment in Pathankot-Amritsar project.<\/p>\n

Vaibhav Shah<\/strong><\/p>\n

And why have they impairments? What was the main reason behind that?<\/p>\n

Rushabh Gandhi<\/strong><\/p>\n

Sure, sir. So basically, there is no impairment at asset level. This impairment is of investment in Pathankot-Amritsar at a Trust level. So basically, the SPV — the Trust is charging 13% interest to the SPV. And in case of farmers’ protest, so there we received the extension concession period, so which is at the end of the concession. So IRR level, it is neutral. But during those periods, the interest was served out of the debt from Trust itself. So that — because of that part, there is a provision for impairment. And over the period, that will get reversed.<\/p>\n

Vaibhav Shah<\/strong><\/p>\n

So incrementally, maybe in the back end of the project, it would be reversed back?<\/p>\n

Rushabh Gandhi<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yes, yes.<\/p>\n

Vaibhav Shah<\/strong><\/p>\n

Okay. And sir, secondly, if you could spend some time on the incremental, how do we see the growth in toll collection across the assets because H1 has been quite weak.<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

So I think the — for weak, there are two or three reasons. One was the severe monsoon. Secondly, this year, the tariff revision was delayed because of the code of conduct. And third reason because of the geopolitical risk going on. If you refer our presentation, we have provided a category-wise vehicle also. If you look at MAV vehicle per se, which consists of mainly the container traffic, there a decline in the vehicular count. And that has because of the geopolitical tension going on in East areas. And that has led a lower MAV count across all projects. But we feel that these are the temporary. Probably we will have — as the festive season is starting, we will have a robust number in Q3 and Q4.<\/p>\n

Vaibhav Shah<\/strong><\/p>\n

Sir, particularly for Talegaon-Amravati, the collection was around INR21 crores in the second quarter. So how do you see the ramp-up for this project in Q3 and Q4?<\/p>\n

Rushabh Gandhi<\/strong><\/p>\n

This is because of the monsoon, second quarter is generally on a softer side. So typically, the first half — second half is comparatively better as compared to the first half. So from Q3 onwards, we should see some traction in Talegaon-Amravati project as well.<\/p>\n

Vaibhav Shah<\/strong><\/p>\n

So can we go back to the Q1 levels of around INR23 crores, INR24 crores odd in Q3?<\/p>\n

Rushabh Gandhi<\/strong><\/p>\n

We expect it should go up to that level.<\/p>\n

Vaibhav Shah<\/strong><\/p>\n

Okay. And similarly, for Pathankot-Amritsar, can we expect something similar around INR39 crores, INR40 crores odd, which was there in Q1?<\/p>\n

Rushabh Gandhi<\/strong><\/p>\n

For Pathankot-Amritsar project, currently because of the farmers’ protest, the toll collection has been on temporary suspended. So once the collection resumes, we believe it should gradually move towards that level.<\/p>\n

Vaibhav Shah<\/strong><\/p>\n

So similar level can be expected what we saw in Q2 around INR36 crores odd?<\/p>\n

Rushabh Gandhi<\/strong><\/p>\n

We can expect that level.<\/p>\n

Vaibhav Shah<\/strong><\/p>\n

In Q3, Q4?<\/p>\n

Rushabh Gandhi<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yes.<\/p>\n

Vaibhav Shah<\/strong><\/p>\n

Okay. Thank you. And lastly, what was the toll collection — the hike that we got for MVR?<\/p>\n

Rushabh Gandhi<\/strong><\/p>\n

In case of Omal-Salem project, the WPI is effective from 1st of September, which is linked directly to the March WPI. So the WPI for the month of March was 0.26%. So because of that, we have received less than 0.5% of tariff revision.<\/p>\n

Vaibhav Shah<\/strong><\/p>\n

Okay. Thank you. Those were my questions.<\/p>\n

Operator<\/strong><\/p>\n

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Saurabh Chhabra, an individual investor. Please go ahead.<\/p>\n

Saurabh Chhabra<\/strong><\/p>\n

Hi. Is my voice audible?<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yes. Please go ahead.<\/p>\n

Saurabh Chhabra<\/strong><\/p>\n

So I’ve got a couple of questions. One is regarding the refinancing exercise that we did, right? So I understand that this year, we did the refinancing exercise. And a couple of quarters back in the call, we mentioned that this will have an impact on DPU. So my first question is whether — like by when we can see increase in DPU? I mean, that should be the ideal case. But like what you — I mean, I have not seen — we are stagnant, right? Right now, it’s like INR2 per quarter. So by when you are thinking that this refinancing exercise can actually flow to DPU? That’s the first question.<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

I think from Q3, if the numbers improve, then definitely, there will be increase in payout.<\/p>\n

Saurabh Chhabra<\/strong><\/p>\n

Okay. So from Q3 this year, right?<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yes.<\/p>\n

Saurabh Chhabra<\/strong><\/p>\n

Okay. Got it. Secondly, for Amritsar-Pathankot, like this farmers’ protest, I think one of the previous callers also alluded to this. It’s becoming — it’s a politically sensitive risk kind of thing, right? So — and I understood that one of the HAM projects is also in same geography. So when we are going to sort of acquire an asset in future, I hope this political uncertainty or risk will also be part of the calculation, right? I am hoping because if you look at it, since the day that we have acquired that status, whenever this elections or whatever comes, I mean, there is one thing that happens is that the farmers’ protest is going on. So I understand that it is accretive and everything, but it is sort of having an impact on our monthly collection, right? So there must be something in the equation for acquiring that asset. So is there something that we can do or like we just have to right now bear it?<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

I think with respect to the HAM assets, it’s an annuity based and there are nothing — we have nothing to do with the toll collection. If we are acquiring the HAM, we’ll get the annuity from the NHI — from the authority. And we don’t have any other project neither with the sponsor nor with the private InvIT, which is in the State of Punjab. So this is the only project. But as you rightly mentioned, this creates some kind of noise. But so far, we are getting the compensation in terms of extension and 50% reimbursement to the expenditure.<\/p>\n

Rushabh Gandhi<\/strong><\/p>\n

There is some positive discussions with the government also, between the farmers and the government. So we expect this to also close and the collection to resume shortly.<\/p>\n

Saurabh Chhabra<\/strong><\/p>\n

Okay. Thanks. Sorry, can I squeeze in one last question?<\/p>\n

Rushabh Gandhi<\/strong><\/p>\n

Sure.<\/p>\n

Saurabh Chhabra<\/strong><\/p>\n

I mean, in three to five years’ road map, right, how many assets are we planning to acquire? Is there like — because I don’t see — if you see we are stagnant, like I keep on repeating, like for the last two years, we are stagnant. So for next three to five years, is there a road map to increase DPU — and the ideal way would be to acquire an asset and to move forward. So how — what is the road map at the Trust level that we are working towards for three to five years? Like is there a road map? What exactly are we working towards?<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

So I think in terms of the road map, our road map is that we will try to acquire more and more projects. And in terms of the payout on basis of the current projects only, the payout should — in next five years should reach INR9, INR9.5 after four or five years.<\/p>\n

Saurabh Chhabra<\/strong><\/p>\n

Okay. Based on current asset and one asset is actually going in ’26 Jan with that into consideration, it will still reach the stage of INR9 DPU, right? That’s what you’re saying?<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yes.<\/p>\n

Saurabh Chhabra<\/strong><\/p>\n

Okay. Got it. All right. Thanks.<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

Thank you.<\/p>\n

Operator<\/strong><\/p>\n

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Sarvesh Gupta from Maximal Capital. Please go ahead.<\/p>\n

Sarvesh Gupta<\/strong><\/p>\n

Good morning sir. Sir, just wanted to understand this like if you look at the WPI data, it was much higher than the 2% that we have seen in this last quarter. But somehow the increase in WPI in general that we see is not getting reflected in our toll collections. So I wanted to understand how are the toll revisions working out for us? Exactly how are they correlated with WPI? And if you can give me asset by asset of what has happened in the last — like, for example, you are saying that March one asset is at only 1%, 2%. But then June quarter, it was — I think WPI was 3%, 4%. So how is that working out?<\/p>\n

Rushabh Gandhi<\/strong><\/p>\n

Out of the total five UT projects, four of our projects are linked to 3% of fixed plus 40% is linked to the WPI for the month of December of previous year. So basically, in the previous financial year, the WPI for the month of December growth was 3.35%. So considering 3% of fixed portion plus 40% of WPI. So — and that tariff revision is rounded up to near is INR5. So considering those, the effective tariff revision, which we got for four of our projects was close to 2.5%. And for MVR, which is earlier.<\/p>\n

Sarvesh Gupta<\/strong><\/p>\n

Sorry, I didn’t get it. 3% you said is fixed. That will anyway happen every year, right?<\/p>\n

Rushabh Gandhi<\/strong><\/p>\n

The 3% is linked to the 2007, the original part. Its growth…<\/p>\n

Sarvesh Gupta<\/strong><\/p>\n

So 3% plus 40% of WPI is what you’re saying, right?<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yes, yes.<\/p>\n

Sarvesh Gupta<\/strong><\/p>\n

So that will be more than 4% no, sir?<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yes, yes. But the amount gets rounded off to near is INR5.<\/p>\n

Sarvesh Gupta<\/strong><\/p>\n

Nearest?<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

INR5. The car tariff was INR50. And if we are getting a 3% increase, then that will become close to INR51.5. So that will get rounded down to INR50 only. So there will not be any revision in the car fare.<\/p>\n

Sarvesh Gupta<\/strong><\/p>\n

Sir, but my concern here is now you are saying this calculation of 3% and 40% of WPI. Even in your valuation, you use 4%, 5% WPI increase. But if you look at this quarter, for example, you should have got 4%, 5% increase in the — through WPI is 3% only. And your total revenue increase itself is 4%. That is mostly volume linked on anyway. So basically, you are not able to get anything from the WPI because of this sort of structure?<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

I think one has to look at the WPI on a long-term basis. If you look at in FY ’23, we got 10% — 10.46% as WPI growth. In some year, you may get a higher number. And in some year, you may get a lower number. In FY ’24 also — for FY ’24, we got almost 5% plus. So then this year, the revision was close to 2% only. So it’s linked with the WPI. And depending upon what kind of WPI prevailing as of December, that gets implemented. What is the WPI in the last quarter, that may not be relevant because your tariff revision happens once every year.<\/p>\n

Sarvesh Gupta<\/strong><\/p>\n

So let’s say, in FY ’24 also when the WPI revision was 10% as per you, I don’t think we got any revenues in line with 10% plus, maybe 4%, 5% volume growth. So our revenues did not grow in FY ’24 also by 14%, 15%, sir?<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

Sir, I’m referring FY ’23 for financial year ’23, we got 10.46%. And for financial year ’24, we got close to 5%.<\/p>\n

Sarvesh Gupta<\/strong><\/p>\n

Okay. And this year, basically, you got nothing because of this rule?<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

We got close to 2%.<\/p>\n

Rushabh Gandhi<\/strong><\/p>\n

2.5%.<\/p>\n

Sarvesh Gupta<\/strong><\/p>\n

2.5%. So your volume growth has normally been 1.5%.<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

Ideally, yes. For volume growth, you can refer our corporate presentation, we have provided a category-wise volume growth.<\/p>\n

Sarvesh Gupta<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yes, yes. But the rates differ a lot, right? So unless I know the category-wise toll collection, it is difficult to understand what is the mix change and all that. How much do you get from MAV typically?<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

Different project has a different this thing. But if the car is 50, MAV may be close to 500.<\/p>\n

Sarvesh Gupta<\/strong><\/p>\n

No, no. Of a typical project, how much contribution comes from MAV and truck bus, for example?<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

I think all the projects, 70%, 80% will be commercial vehicle and around 20%, 30% will be the passenger vehicle.<\/p>\n

Sarvesh Gupta<\/strong><\/p>\n

Okay. Understood. Understood. And secondly, on the cost of debt, so now that has also gone up for us, and that is also reflecting in our interest cost. So most of that is because of the repo rate increase. So as the repo rate decrease comes maybe sometime in the future, you should get the immediate benefit? Or how is that?<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yes, you are absolutely correct that once the repo rate starts declining, we should benefit on a lower interest rate.<\/p>\n

Sarvesh Gupta<\/strong><\/p>\n

So your cost of funds will come down?<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yes.<\/p>\n

Sarvesh Gupta<\/strong><\/p>\n

And is that — most of your debt is MCLR or repo rate linked?<\/p>\n

Rushabh Gandhi<\/strong><\/p>\n

MCLR linked.<\/p>\n

Sarvesh Gupta<\/strong><\/p>\n

So that will take some time for the transmission for you guys also.<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yes.<\/p>\n

Sarvesh Gupta<\/strong><\/p>\n

Okay. Okay. And finally, just to confirm, so you are saying that, let’s say, this Pathankot-Amritsar project, now this keeps getting installed because of the farmer agitation from time to time. So now what you are saying is that it is ultimately an NPV accretive event whenever this gets installed. So can you throw some — what are the calculations behind saying that? Because ideally, if the concession period is only increased, then like your volumes are anyways at risk because you don’t know, I mean, one year, two years down the line, how will the traffic movement be on this. You get equivalent number of days which are moved forward, but then that those cash flows will happen in the future. So that has to be discounted. So how exactly is it NPV positive?<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yes. So as I was explaining that typically, the traffic will grow in line with the GDP and your tariff will be linked with the inflation. And if you look at historically, these were in the range of 9% to 10%. If you extrapolate your revenue by 9% to 10%, and your discount rate is also 9% to 10% because your cost of — the discount rate typically cost of debt is around 8.5% to 9% and cost of equity is around 13%, 13.5%. So the WACC comes close to 9%, 9.5%, so your increase in the revenue and the discount rate is almost similar. Hence, it will be IRR neutral. And there is a compensation which comes from the NHAI, which is 50% of the interest and O&M. So that there is a cash compensation and there is extension. Accordingly, the calculation should be NPV accretive.<\/p>\n

Sarvesh Gupta<\/strong><\/p>\n

And all these cash flow, when do they occur when — so for example, now the road is shut, you are not able to collect. So when is NHAI going to give you this after the agitation, before the agitation goes on for two years. Two years, you don’t collect toll. So for two years, will you get any cash flows or only after everything has been done with an indefinite period attached to it that you will get the compensation?<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

No, we regularly file the claim. And based on our past practice, typically, it takes three to six months’ time to realize the — in your example, if the agitation goes for two years, then definitely for a quarterly basis with a quarter lag, we will be ideally getting the quarterly reimbursement.<\/p>\n

Sarvesh Gupta<\/strong><\/p>\n

Okay. And when you say NPV positive, this also takes into account this almost six to nine months or maybe even more that government authorities typically take to pay out the actual cash flows.<\/p>\n

Rushabh Gandhi<\/strong><\/p>\n

That we get with interest.<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yes. But if there is a delay, then definitely, there is an interest to that extent.<\/p>\n

Sarvesh Gupta<\/strong><\/p>\n

Okay. So if they delay from their point — their part to release the funds, then they pay another interest on that?<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yes.<\/p>\n

Sarvesh Gupta<\/strong><\/p>\n

Okay sir. Thank you. All the best.<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

Thank you.<\/p>\n

Rushabh Gandhi<\/strong><\/p>\n

Thank you.<\/p>\n

Operator<\/strong><\/p>\n

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that was the last question for today. I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Menon. Over to you, sir.<\/p>\n

Vinod Kumar Menon<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yes. Thanks to all the investors and participants on this call, and wishing you a happy Diwali. Thank you.<\/p>\n

Operator<\/strong><\/p>\n

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