Venky’s (India) Ltd (NSE: VENKEYS) Q2 2025 Earnings Call dated Nov. 08, 2024
Corporate Participants:
Unidentified Speaker
Jeevan Handa — Chief Financial Officer
Analysts:
Probal Sen — Analyst
Gunit Singh — Analyst
Unidentified Participant
Presentation:
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to Venky’s Q2 FY ’25 Earnings Conference Call hosted by ICICI Securities. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is been recorded.
I now hand the conference over to Mr. Probal Sen from ICICI Securities. Thank you and over to you sir.
Probal Sen — Analyst
Thank you, Sumith. Welcome everyone to this post Q2 FY ’25 call to discuss Venky’s Q2 results. With us we have members from the Senior Management of Venky’s, Mr. N. K. Toshniwal, MD, Oilseed segment, he is the General Manager. From the Poultry segment, we have Dr. Vijay Tijare, GM and Dr. P. G. Pedgaonkar. From the Accounts and Finance team, we have Mr. J. K. Handa, the Chief Financial Officer of the company and Mr. Rohan Bhagwat, who is the Company Secretary.
Without further ado, I hand over to the management for their opening remarks. Post which, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Over to you sir.
Unidentified Speaker
Thank you, Mr. Probal Sen. A very good afternoon, thank you all for joining us today for the conference call of Venky’s India Limited. The company had published financial results for the quarter and half year ended 30th September 2024 along with information for investors on 7th November. I hope you all have gone through the same. Today, we have with us the unit heads to answer all your queries in respect of their respective segments and the area of operations.
Before we start discussing the company’s performance, I would like to mention that some statements made in today’s discussion may be forward-looking in nature and may involve risks and uncertainties. After the end of this call, in case you have any further questions, please feel free to reach out to the Investor Relations team.
I will now hand over the call to Mr. Jeevan Handa, our CFO, to make the opening comments. Over to you, Mr. Handa.
Jeevan Handa — Chief Financial Officer
Good afternoon, everyone, and a very warm welcome. I am Jeevan Handa, CFO. I take pleasure to discuss with all of you on the Venky’s earning call. I hope you have gone through the auditors results for the second quarter and also the information to investors.
As you are aware, we are always providing adequate data and explanation to our investors since we are in the livestock business and I hope you will appreciate our approach. As you all have seen from the published results, the overall financial performance of Venky’s for the quarter ended 30th September ’24 was weaker than the previous quarter. Major reason for decline in the profits is due to the loss reported in the Poultry and Poultry Product segment.
Traditionally, the second quarter is always a weak quarter for the Poultry segment due to the seasonal pattern and fluctuation in demand for chicken products because of fasting month and also religious rituals etc. The Animal Health Product segment has registered satisfactory performance.
Performance of Oilseed segment was affected mainly due to the unfavorable market conditions. As of 30th September ’24, the cash and cash equivalent is INR306.24 crore. Coming to the — coming current quarter, after a subdued month of October, we are witnessing very better realization of poultry products in this month. Therefore, we are cautiously optimistic that the current quarter’s performance will be better than the second quarter since the overall outlook for the poultry sector started improving, we are expected that the capacity utilization in the Oilseed segment also will show improvement from here on.
With this briefing, we now would like to answer your questions. You may please go ahead with questions. Thank you.
Questions and Answers:
Operator
[Operator Instructions] The first question is from the line of Gunit Singh from Counter Cyclical PMS. Please go ahead.
Gunit Singh
Hi, sir. Thank you for the opportunity. So after a stellar performance in Q1, we have witnessed a loss in Q2. So I would like to understand the main reasons for, I mean, the loss. Is it due to fall in realizations of poultry or how much of it is contributed by increase in input prices, increase in prices of feed? So I mean, can you please let me know the trend of maize and soya prices as well and how much did they contribute to the margins, full margins?
Jeevan Handa
The major decline in the profitability is to the poultry and poultry segments. The realization of the product is lower if we see the first quarter realization. In the first quarter realization was almost ranging from month-over-month INR106 per kg, INR110 per kg, INR103 per kg, whereas the cost of production was ranging from INR87 to INR88. But in the second quarter the same INR106 or INR110 has come down to INR99, then it was in — August it was INR86, and it was INR84 in the month of September, which was average out, it was a low side in comparison to the first quarter.
Whereas the cost of production was ranging almost the same, it was INR87 to INR88. So that’s the reason for decline in the turnover as of the probability in the poultry and poultry segments. So in the current quarter, the trend is changing and the realization seems to be better whereas we are having the packed-up production. So we are hopeful that the turnover as well as the bottomline shall improve, I mean, reasonably well. Thank you.
Gunit Singh
Got it. So we have seen already half of Q3 has gone by approximately. So I mean, what kind of realizations are we seeing in this quarter and what is the cost of production in this quarter on average in the current quarter Q3?
Jeevan Handa
The current cost is — cost of production in regard to the bird prices is INR87 to INR88 depending on the current input prices, but as far as the realization is concerned in the current quarter like October itself indicating is in the lower price it was INR74 something, but the last week or last days from October onwards as the festivals are over, the prices shoot up to INR97 or INR95 or even is the INR100 plus some event till date. So from our 30th October onwards, after the festivals are over, things are improving on the front of price realization, whereas the cost of production is ranging INR87 to INR88.
Gunit Singh
All right, sir. Got it. That’s all from my side. Thank you very much.
Operator
Thank you, Gunit. [Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Ankur, an individual investor. Please go ahead.
Unidentified Participant
Yes. Good afternoon, sir. Hello?
Unidentified Speaker
Good afternoon.
Unidentified Participant
Yes, sir, I would like to ask you, what kind of set of numbers do we expect in third and fourth quarters, sir? And what kind of EBITDA and net margins do we expect in these two quarters, sir?
Jeevan Handa
In the next third quarter as well as the fourth quarter, the numbers would be reasonably, I mean better off than the first and second quarter similarly on the price of — price realization because that is a seasonal month in regard to the consumption and accordingly, the poultry and poultry segments shall increase accordingly turnover as well as the bottomline.
Unidentified Participant
Sir, do we expect good set of numbers in comparative to first quarter sir?
Jeevan Handa
Hopefully so.
Unidentified Participant
It will be better?
Jeevan Handa
Yes, surely.
Unidentified Participant
So the profits of the company was around INR70 crores to INR80 crores in first quarter. So we can expect that we will exceed that in this quarter and as well as next quarter?
Jeevan Handa
See, the first quarter, the prices realization was pretty good. So the margins were somewhere around even INR20 a kg or more. But in the third and fourth quarter if those trends continue, we can bounce back like that. But it all depends on the, I mean, rate realization. In regard to the input cost, maize is a matter of concern because seasonal production will come in the month of April onwards. So there might be, I mean, pressure on the maize prices which is a major 55% to 60% segment on the energy sector. But otherwise there seems to be a pretty good numbers in the third and fourth quarter. It looks like that.
Unidentified Participant
It looks like that. Sir, any expansion is going on in the company, sir?
Jeevan Handa
So we are having a good amount of number in our inventory as well as the number. So as of today, there is no expansion in almost all the segment, but we are having a very good quality in our hand, which could be, I mean, disposed of as the number or demand will come.
Unidentified Participant
Thank you, sir.
Operator
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Ankit Kapoor, an individual investor. Please go ahead.
Unidentified Participant
Sir, thank you. Sir, I have three questions. My first question is that ever since I’ve been watching the quarterly results of Venky’s from March ’23, sales is down, getting each and every quarter, sales is declining consistently, okay. And I’ve been investing in this company from 2018. So as an individual investor, I have been disappointed with the returns the company has given to me. During COVID period where the stock prices rose from the low of 700 [Phonetic] to 3,500 [Phonetic], but except that the company has been disappointing on the numbers side. So when can we expect the listing side of the company, then where we expect some good numbers and good performance, where realizations will be good. So can you please guide us on that?
Jeevan Handa
Yes. In regard to the third quarter and fourth quarter if you compare with the first quarter and second quarter, the sales number or volume shall be definitely better than the earlier quarter. Second quarter is having a weak quarter always if you see the last 10 years data, but if you see the product mix in the company like even in the poultry and poultry products also, there are different segments, broiler chicks, layer chicks, commercial birds, SPF eggs. There are different product mix.
If the layer product is concerned, now in the season — in the winter season the prices will — is going to be increased because the consumption of egg will be increased, but as per the same time we are having good amount of numbers even for the layer wherein we’ll encash the sales. Similarly, the numbers are there in the second quarter also, but the rates were poor. Egg prices as well as the chicks, those numbers were very much poor.
So it depends on which segment is improving, which segment is having better numbers and rate realization which is forming the overall volume as turnover of the company. So what you say is right in the coming quarter and all we are having a better realization in regard to all the segments it looks like and presume, so hopefully the numbers and bottomline shall be good.
Unidentified Participant
Can we expect increase in sales in the upcoming quarter?
Jeevan Handa
Surely that — it will be surely better than the second quarter and the third quarter and fourth quarter will be better.
Unidentified Participant
And sir, what about rewarding shareholders for interim dividends or something bonus issued, something like that?
Jeevan Handa
We take up your suggestion. This is a board call. So this is our investor concall meeting. We can only explain on the business side. The suggestion of bonus [Speech Overlap] we’ll pass it on to the board.
Unidentified Participant
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Siddhant [Phonetic] from ithought PMS. Please go ahead.
Unidentified Participant
Thanks. I would like to have a few questions. First question is, what is the status of the supply in the poultry industry, supply and demand?
Jeevan Handa
As per the demand and supply position is concerned after this festival season is over, the demand and supply both the things are reasonably well. Consumption is also on the higher side and ultimately poultry segment as a whole which includes many, I mean, products like I explained for layer chicks, broiler chicks, SPF eggs, SPF is not related but likewise even AHP also. When the consumption of poultry feed will increase or poultry birds will increase, automatically all segment related segment will increase. So hopefully things would be better than the second quarter in the forthcoming quarters.
Unidentified Participant
Let’s say when compared to FY ’21, how is the supply in the poultry industry?
Jeevan Handa
FY ’21?
Unidentified Participant
Yes, like compared to the previous years, how is the supply right now in the industry?
Unidentified Speaker
So if we compare ’19-’20 was the financial year which affected due to COVID. Though COVID for rest of the world started in 2021, however for us as a poultry industry it was ’19-’20 which got hit. But that got rectified in 2021, so there was a very good jump. But if you compare overall availability versus demand, there is a steady increase in demand and which is to the tune of 8% to 9% as far as poultry products are concerned.
So be it chicken, be it eggs, so there is a steady increase. What matters is when availability is more and quarter-to-quarter demand varies, that time only it takes a hit or the profit gets squeezed. So that’s what we have seen in quarter two. But if you talk on yearly basis, there is a steady increase in the overall demand of poultry products, which is to the tune of 8% to 9%. And we expect that to continue, though there can be a variation on quarter-to-quarter basis, but if you sum up on average basis on a yearly basis, we are expecting a steady rise of 8%.
It depends on two, three things. One, what other non-veg commodities are performing. So likewise, if we see a historical data, the poultry as such in a pie of non-veg segment is increasing. Now it is close to the 55% and we are expecting that to jump. So obviously other non-veg segments will get reduced and that share will be taken by poultry. So obviously it can be more than 9%, 10% also in a particular year. We expect but conservatively 8% to 9% jump as far as demand of poultry is concerned.
Unidentified Participant
Understand. So what is your outlook on the maize prices right now? At what level of maize prices will you be able to show improved EBITDA like how you guys did in FY ’21 and 2019 and all?
Jeevan Handa
In regards to the maize prices, if you see that this six months period is concerned, the average price is INR26,242 is per ton cost of maize. In comparison to the previous six months period, it was INR21,906. So there is a steep jump in the maize prices because availability was I mean questioned. So there was a good amount of jump. And similarly in the days to come, when there will be a huge demand in regard to consumption of poultry and poultry products in third and fourth quarter when the demand is more, so there is likely to have a upward trend in the maize prices because the availability is also on the lower side, the next crop comes in the main crop which is a Bihar state that comes in the month of April.
So there would be a pressure on the maize prices in the days to come. This is what we presume and assume. In regard to the soya that is on the declining trend, last year — this year six months period, the average purchase price is INR43,554, [Phonetic] soya meal I am talking and whereas the last year same period it was INR50,364 [Phonetic] so there is a reduction to the extent of 14% in the soya meal prices. So that indicates that the maize is having a pressure on the input cost whereas soya is somehow not having a much impact on the cost price.
Unidentified Participant
Understood. So what about [Technical Issues] happen for it to improve its margin.
Jeevan Handa
Your voice was not clear, sir. Can you repeat your question, please.
Unidentified Participant
Yes. What about the Oilseed segment, what has to happen for it to improve the margin in that segment?
Unidentified Speaker
See oilseed, now the capacity utilization from October has been going up and the seed prices internationally it is very much down and today also in India, the seed is being sold below MSP prices. So that — yes, that concerns are there, but we are trying to offset that through by increasing the volume of processing. And one positive thing what we see that in this budget, the government has identified they need to improve the internal availability of the oilseed division to reduce the imports, which is a very major part of the total cost of a foreign exchange to the country. So government is taking corrective actions. So I think that we are very hopeful that this segment, in our capacity utilization will be showing better results in the coming months.
Unidentified Participant
Okay. That’s all. Thanks.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Ketan, an individual investor. Please go ahead. Hello, Ketan.
Unidentified Participant
Hello. Yes, can you hear me?
Operator
Yes.
Unidentified Participant
Yes, good afternoon, and thank you for the opportunity. Sir my first question is, you just said that poultry volumes or industry volumes are going at 8%-odd in last four years. But somehow that is not reflecting in our grown up broiler volumes. So if you can just help us understand what’s happening there at a group level, are we losing market share?
Unidentified Speaker
In fact, the question what you have posed, see as far as Venky’s is concerned, we have balance of the portfolio. What we call is that sometimes we have flexibility to sell broiler chicks and sometimes we convert those broiler chicks into broiler birds. So that flexibility is there. So if you see the overall number, so I am sure that number is in line with the overall growth of industry. On quarter-to-quarter it might not. But on yearly basis if we see, there is a steady increase in overall volume also.
What matters is when the realization is less, that time it’s not getting reflected on a top line. So if we see that the poultry top line, there is a variation and that variation is not on account of volume, but it is on account of value. So that’s why the discrepancy or what your question is.
Unidentified Participant
Okay. So is it fair to assume that since the prices are not conducive, we have kind of retreated from grown up broiler markets and focused more on the old chicks?
Unidentified Speaker
Yes, we can say so. I mean, sometimes that flexibility is there. So we take that opportunity and sometimes there is a shift from this segment to this segment.
Unidentified Participant
Okay. And let’s say if the prices revive, sir, what kind of capacity or what kind of volume growth we can have? I mean what kind of incremental volume we can do in our existing infrastructure in grown-up broiler? Can we double the volumes?
Unidentified Speaker
In fact, we want to go along with the industry’s growth. So definitely 8% is a very healthy and steady growth and that’s what we want to retain. So it will have a steady growth and if required we are geared up as far as infrastructure is concerned and we can fulfill the demand of the market if all of the sudden additional demand comes from the market. But as of now as a plan, definitely we would like to retain and maintain the healthy growth of 8% to 9% which is in line with the industry demand.
Unidentified Participant
Okay. Sir just one last question on this point. In our grown-up broiler division, how much is our integrated farming and how much is contract farming? And if you can just help us understand the margin differential in contracts and integrated, I mean on a per kg basis or on a percentage basis, however you can?
Unidentified Speaker
In fact, when we say we are producing a broiler bird grown up and then selling in the market, it implies that 100% of the broiler birds are being produced in an integrated farming or a contract farming model. That’s what is the model. When the matter comes to the chicks, definitely it’s our company-owned infrastructure. I mean, majority is a company-owned infrastructure, but when matter comes up for producing broiler birds and selling in the market, it’s completely an integrated model or a contract farming model. So whatever the broiler birds [Speech Overlap]
Unidentified Participant
That’s what I — yes, that’s what I want to understand, sir. How much is contract farming and how much is integrated out of this grown-up broiler revenue that we have today? Ballpark number will help.
Unidentified Speaker
90% is integrated or contract farming, and hardly 10% is where, which is our own infrastructure.
Unidentified Participant
Okay. That’s it sir. Thank you very much.
Operator
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] As there are no further questions, now I would like to hand the conference over to Mr. Probal Sen for closing comments.
Probal Sen
Thank you so much. Thank you everyone for their time and patience in attending the call and thank you to the management for taking the time to answer all the questions.
I would now like to hand over to the management for any closing comments. Sir?
Unidentified Speaker
Thank you Mr. Probal Sen. Thank you all for participating in this call. In case any queries have remained unanswered, please feel free to send us an e-mail and we will respond accordingly. Thank you.
Jeevan Handa
Thank you, everyone.
Operator
[Operator Closing Remarks]