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Thyrocare Technologies Ltd (THYROCARE) Q4 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Thyrocare Technologies Ltd (NSE: THYROCARE) Q4 2025 Earnings Call dated Apr. 23, 2025

Corporate Participants:

Kapil GuptaHead of Investor Relations

Rahul GuhaChief Executive Officer

Nitin ChughCHIEF COMMERCIAL OFFICER

Alok JagnaniChief Financial Officer

Analysts:

Raman KVAnalyst

Prakash KapadiaAnalyst

ChiragAnalyst

Yogesh SonjeAnalyst

Palak ShahAnalyst

Sumit SardaAnalyst

Presentation:

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good day and welcome to the Tyrocair Technologies Limited Earnings Conference Call. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen-only mode and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. Should you need assistance during the conference call, please signal an operator by pressing star then zero on your touchstone phone. I now hand the conference over to Mr Kapil Gupta from Technologies Limited. Thank you, and over to you.

Kapil GuptaHead of Investor Relations

Thank you, Yasha Sri. A very good evening to all and thank you for joining us today for the earnings conference call for Q4 and annual results of FY ’25. Today, we have with us Mr Rahul Goa, MD and CEO of TyroCare; Mr Alok Kumar Jagnani, CFO of; and Mr Nitin Chu, Chief Commercial Officer of, along with other key members of the senior management on this call to share highlights of the business and financials for the quarter and the annual results. I hope you have gone through our results release, the quarterly earnings presentation and press release, which has now been uploaded on the stock exchange website.

The transcript of this call will be available in a week’s time on the company’s website. Please note that today’s discussion may be forward-looking in nature and must be viewed in relation to the risks pertaining to our business. After the end of this call, in case you have any further questions, please feel free-to reach-out to the Investor Relations team. I now hand over the call to Mr Rahul Bhua to make the opening remarks.

Rahul GuhaChief Executive Officer

Thanks, Kapul. Good evening, and welcome to all on the call. Just a quick introduction to us on the call. My name is Rahul and I’m the MD and CEO of and thank you for the opportunity to present the Q4 and annual results of FY ’25. I am joined with my colleague, Alok Kumar Jagnani, who is our CFO; Nitin Chug, who is our Chief Commercial Officer; and Kapul Gupta, who is part of our Strategy and Investor Relations team.

As in all my calls, I will start with a quote from Nelson Mandala in recognition of our foray into Africa. It is in your hands to make a better world for all who live in it. And we believe can bring our business model to Africa to make affordable and good-quality diagnostics available to all. Before we get into the details of the quarter, I’ll reiterate the pay-for-performance pricing structure that we implemented in 2023. Earlier, our discount structure was one-size fits-all, but now we have moved to a slab-based pricing model, which we implemented in May of 2023. It’s been close to two years since that implementation and this has led to an increased energy within our franchise network with motivation to move-up volumes and enter higher slabs. It will result in a movement towards larger franchisees and enable much greater reach from our large partners. In the quarterly presentation, you will see how that strategy is panning out in terms of the new partner addition and the rate at which they are scaling year-on-year. Quality remains our highest priority and we see it as a continuous journey of improvement and innovation. We’re immensely proud to share that we are India’s first and only 100% NABL accredited national laboratory chain. This prestigious milestone reflects our unwavering commitment to delivering world-class diagnostic services and it is the result of relentless dedication to quality excellence. Achieving NABL accreditation across all our labs has been made possible through the implementation of robust quality management systems, investments in cutting-edge technology and equipment, rigorous training programs for our staff and consistent participation in proficiency testing. Considering that only 2% of pathology labs nationwide hold this accreditation. This achievement is just not just a significant milestone for us, but also a testament to our leadership in redefining diagnostic standards across India. Further, to validate our commitment to quality, we conducted an independent study published in the International Journal of Advanced Research ideas and Innovations and Technology. The findings revealed that nine out of 10 doctors trust reports and confidently recommend our services to their patients. This recognition highlights the dedication and hard work we have consistently invested in upholding the highest standards of quality. Also, we were recognized and rewarded by the College of American Pathologists CAP in short for maintaining excellence in high-quality laboratory care for 15-plus years, CAP is an international gold standard accreditation that represents the top-tier quality in pathology and laboratory medicine. We regularly host advisory Board meetings with a panel of esteemed doctors to gain their insights on enhancing our quality milestones. Doctors witness our cutting-edge technologies, stringent protocols, which reinforces our commitment to diagnostic excellence. I’m proud to share under Anusandan, our research wing, we conducted and published India’s largest HBA1c study analyzing 20 lakh results to provide deep insights into diabetic trends nationwide. We also studied nearly 1 lakh dengue cases, revealing a shift in transmission patterns in 2024, marked by early onset and regional surges, highlighting the need for timely and broader diagnostics beyond just platelet counts. Additionally, our health study based on 15,000 plus samples collected via preventive camps and screening reinforce the value of regular PAP smear and LBCC tests in detecting early cancer signs and other survival health issues. While maintaining the highest-quality standards, on an average during FY ’25, we released the report within 3.43 hours of the samples receiving — reaching the lab. This rapid turnaround is made possible by our robust operational processes, advanced automation systems and streamlined workflows. By combining precision with efficiency, we ensure timely and accurate diagnostics, empowering patients and healthcare providers to make informed decisions swiftly. Beyond the work on quality, we continue to selectively expand our offering. Has been our flagship brand in the preventive healthcare segment and we have two more brands, Janch and HerChek. Janch, as I have said before, is targeted towards lifestyle challenges or for you to better understand your health. We have solutions across the spectrum for anything you might be worried about. Is it fever or something more serious? Why is my hair falling? Cancer screening as well as deep investigations for common chronic diseases like diabetes, heart health and of course, thyroid. We are very proud of some of the key milestones we’ve achieved in FY ’25. We now have more than 11,000 plus active franchisees and as a result, we processed 167.9 million tests, which grew by 14% year-on-year. It’s important to contextualize this volume. If you add this volume — if you add the volume of our competitors from their published reports, you will find that our test volume of 167.9 million is more than all the competitors combined. We served 16.7 million patients in the year, which increased by 11% year-on-year. We are regularly taking strategic initiatives to further expand our footprint. During FY ’25, we acquired Polo Labs in July 2024, which is based out of Punjab with a wide presence in Punjab, Haryana and Himashal Pradesh. This allows us to expand our footprint in North India. We also acquired the Clinical Diagnostics business of Vimta Labs in October 2024. Vimta’s Clinical Diagnostics division with its established presence in Telangana and Andhra Pradesh offers us an excellent opportunity to further strengthen our presence in South India. This is in-line with the pockets or white spaces strategy where we were looking for acquisitions in regions, and I’m very happy to say that both of these complement and will enhance our process presence in areas where we have been vacant. Partnerships business did phenomenally well this year and grew as we onboarded new clients in health Tech segments and continued to grow the existing accounts. Also with the acquisition of Think Health last year, it has strengthened our offering for the insurance segment with the additional capability of ECG at-home. Now we are covering ECG at-home services in 1,000 plus pin codes with a dedicated fleet of 170 ECG flabotomists. This allows us to give our insurance partners a one-stop solution for blood and ECG testing and further deepen our presence in the pre-policy medical checkup and annual health checkup market. On the B2G side, we continue to execute TV projects in the state of Gujarat and Maharashtra. In Tanzania, since going-live in March 2024 and processing our first sample in April, we have successfully partnered with over 150 healthcare facilities in Dara Sala. Our mission is to continuously collaborate with major hospitals, ensuring they have access to comprehensive diagnostic services. With our state-of-the-art laboratory equipped with world-class machines and infrastructure, we are poised to make a significant impact on healthcare in that region. With that, that, I will now hand over to my colleague, Nitin to cover the highlights for the quarter and annual business performance.

Nitin ChughCHIEF COMMERCIAL OFFICER

Thank you, Rahul. A warm welcome to everyone. First, I would like to start with our pillars of growth, which have been contributing strongly to our consistent performance. The first is customer success. The focus is to ensure accurately timely and affordable diagnostic services through quality-control, robust data management and customer support with advanced technology and streamlined processes, we aim to enhance customer satisfaction. Launching live reports for our franchisee base as well as our D2C customers is a testament of our continuous work towards customer success.

We’ve also added things like reminder service, turnaround time visibility, etc to our franchise partners to help them build a stronger business for themselves. The second pillar is network expansion. We are deepening our presence across India by going deep into the country with our franchise network and through our acquisitions as well. We have moved to a transacting base of franchise of upwards of 11,000 and we were at the same time last year, we closed this number at 9,400 also on the partnership side, we are expanding our footprint going deep into the pre-policy medical checkup and annual health checkup in the insurance business.

The third area where we are now focusing is to enhance our menu expansion and visibility. We are introducing a wider range of specialized tests and health packages for our partners and using targeted marketing to drive adoption and increase value for both our partners and our customers. We have launched histopathology in-house, FMS certified Markers and many other new test and profiles to main. Now I will briefly update you about the Q4 and annual business performance of FY ’25. Overall, at a consolidated level, this year we did a 20% year-on-year revenue growth and this quarter, we delivered 21% year-on-year revenue growth, primarily driven by our pathology business. This includes 2% of revenue contribution coming from the inorganic growth contributed by Polo, Wimta and. Our franchise business for the year showed a revenue growth of 18% year-on-year and in Q4, our franchise business showed a revenue growth of 22% year-on-year. We have started focusing towards opening a smaller lab in partnerships along with the franchisee and storefronts, which shall lead to higher processing capabilities and ultimately leading to a higher franchise business growth in coming quarters. Further, revenue per retail franchise has been consistently growing for the franchise added post FY ’22. This has been possible because of our slab-based pricing model, improved quality, strengthening our relationship with doctors and channel partners and our test menu expansion. Our partnership business for the year grew by 27% year-on-year, whereas in this quarter, it showed a tremendous growth of 24%. If we exclude API, this year, our partnership business grew by 36% and this quarter it grew by 40% year-on-year. Our API Pharmacy diagnostics business this grew by 11%. Radiologic business, including Pulse, did a strong revenue growth of 14% year-on-year this year. With that, I will hand over to my colleague to cover the financial results.

Alok JagnaniChief Financial Officer

Thank you, Nitin. A warm welcome to everyone joining us today. I want to begin by highlighting that while the pathology diagnostic industry is growing at an early to mid-teens rate, TyroCare has consistently delivering mid-teen to high-teen growth over recent quarters. This sustained outperformance underscore the strength of our leadership and our ability to seize the market opportunity.

Before moving to the financials, let me briefly revisit the ESOP program, which has been a key focus in recent quarters. As the Tyrocare ESOP program concludes this year, we have expanded the API ESOP pool to include our senior management at. This group level initiative aimed to retain the critical talent with ESOPs issued by our parent company, investing as per policy.

From the accounting perspective, these ESOPs are recognized as an expense in the profit and loss account and as an equity contribution from the parents in the balance sheet. It is important to note that this is a non-cash charge and does not affect our cash outflow. To provide greater clarity, we report normalized EBITDA, excluding these non-cash expenses and also included an in our quarterly earnings presentation to further explain the accounting statement. Now moving to the financial update.

Firstly, full-year performance update. For the year standalone revenue is INR633 crore, INR633 crores and the consolidated revenue stood at INR687 crore, reflecting a robust 20% year-on-year growth. This was driven by 18% increase in franchisee revenue and a 27% rise in our partnership business. Total pathology revenue has grown by 21%, while radio is logic business has increased by 14% year-on-year. Coming to the quarterly performance — Q4 performance, revenue increased by 21% year-on-year, supported by 22% increase in franchisee business, 24% increase in parties partnership revenue.

Pathology revenue in Q4 grew by 23% year-on-year, whereas radiology revenue grew by 17% year-on-year. On the total revenue growth, 2% was attributable to inorganic growth. Our Think Health business, Polo has stabilized and now fully-integrated to the ecosystem. The acquisition of Vimta is currently in transitions and expected to complete — completely integrated to System in next three months’ time. Standalone gross margin for the quarter stood at 73%, up by 426 or 26 basis-points, primarily due to the better negotiation and favorable product mix. Employee expenses increased year-on-year, reflecting because of annual increment volume growth and new business acquisition and expansion.

The standalone normalized EBITDA margin for the quarter was 36%, an increase of 1,026 basis-points. The improvement was driven by in gross margin and the operating leverage. High EBITDA margin in radiology NHL compared to the last year due to the revenue growth and mix changes. NHL revenue mix moved to our FDG, which is normally called sales which generated higher EBITDA margins. At the consolidated level, Q4 gross margin stood at 74% and the normalized EBITDA margin was 35%, whereas full-year FY ’25 gross margin 72% and the normalized EBITDA margin stood at 31%. In absolute terms, FY ’25 normalized EBITDA reported is INR210 crores and the PAT excluding exceptional deferred tax provision reversal was INR101 crores, representing our year-on-year increase of 37% and 45% respectively.

This is the first time we are in both normalized EBITDA and PAT across the benchmark of INR200 crores and INR100 crores respectively. This strong performance was achieved despite margin pressures from recent acquisition and geographic expansions what we have done in the financial year FY ’25. In addition to that, we want to update that the Board of Directors has recommended a final dividend of INR21 per equity share. Share for the year ended 31st March 2025, subject to the approval of shareholders in.

With that, I will now hand over to Rahul for strategic updates.

Rahul GuhaChief Executive Officer

Thank you, Alob. Firstly, I would like to take a few minutes to recap to you our strategic direction and then I will open it up for Q&A. First, I will reiterate our value proposition to the customer. We will continue to remain an affordable option to all patients with good-quality and on-time reports. All our efforts on our value proposition is towards ensuring low-cost to the patient, assurance on quality of testing through our certifications and engagement with doctors.

We have made substantial progress on this, which I updated in my initial comments and is reflected in the presentation. This will remain at our core and will guide all that we will do. Second, our strategy. We continue to maintain our strategy of being the B2B partner of choice to all front-end diagnostic services companies in India, whether it’s a small diagnostics center in a rural area, a pharmacy in a metro, a small nursing home, an individual doctor or a leading online diagnostics platform or health tech marketplace. We are happy to work with them to provide low-cost, robust testing solutions so that they can serve their patients in the most effective manner.

If they require flebotomy, we are happy to mobilize our flabotomy network of almost 1900 flebotomists, including our network partners to serve them better. We remain dedicated to expanding our business and with the acquisition of Polo Labs and Vimta Clinical Diagnostics, we plan to significantly increase our presence in North and South India respectively. Additionally, to further boost our partnerships business, the acquisition of Think Health allows us to offer ECG at-home services, further enhancing our value to our insurance partners.

This strategy has been working well for us with both our franchise and partnerships businesses posting strong growth. That in a brief is our mandate as management. Thank you so much for giving us a patient hearing. I will once again end with a quote from the Mahatma, find purpose, the means will follow and our purpose remains to provide affordable high-quality testing to the masses. With that, we will open up for Q&A.

Questions and Answers:

Operator

Thank you very much. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press R&1 on the touchstone telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two. Participants are requested to use handsets while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue assembles. We’ll take our first question from the line of Raman KV from Sequent Investments. Please go-ahead.

Raman KV

Hello, sir. Can you hear me?

Operator

Yes, please go-ahead.

Rahul Guha

Yes, we can hear you, Raman.

Raman KV

Sir, I just have two, three questions. So one is, in this quarter, we paid on an excess tax of INR11 crores. Like the 54% is the tax-rate. Can you give me a clarification on why did we pay the excess tax in this quarter?

Rahul Guha

Yes. I’ll defer this question to Alok who can explain it. Alok, the question is, you have paid almost 54% in tax. What is it?

Alok Jagnani

So thanks, for these questions. And this is not the excess tax what we have paid-in past. This is the deferred tax provision what we have made in 2019 2020 when the investment of NHL impairment has been done. And at that point of time, the management was on the belief and that — and every year when we are reviewing the NHL investments and impairment, we are carrying that provision on account that the impairment is going to be actual and whenever we are — if we are going to sell that investment, the impairment loss against the impairment loss, the deferment tax benefits are going to come.

But now NHL business is doing good. If the business come on-track, generating positive EBITDA and the revenue growth is also 10 plus percent revenue growth year-on-year, they are delivering. Considering that the provision for deferred tax carrying is not just wise decisions and management has taken that call that the deferred tax assets provision taken against the impairment of value — asset investments what we have done is not supposed to be reversed and we have taken that well and that hit has come in the P&L as an exception item, deferred tax reverse INR11.2 crore. If we exclude that in our P&L performance, PAT has been grown by 88%.

Raman KV

Okay. Yeah, yeah. Hello.

Rahul Guha

Yeah. Please continue.

Raman KV

Yeah, I get there. Okay. Now I understood it. And my thought was with respect to the margins. This is probably in the past two, three years the this quarter has recorded highest-ever margins — EBITDA margin. So what was the primary reason for the expansion of the EBITDA margin?

Alok Jagnani

There are three major.

Rahul Guha

I’ll take that so if I break-up the overall year margin, we are at roughly about 32% in our pathology business, of course, for this quarter, it is 35%. What happens is you would see a gross margin uplift in this quarter. That is because of our increased volumes this year, we were given quite a few year-end discounts from our vendors, right? So that is what you see in the gross margin uplift. And the other is, of course, we are getting operating leverage. If you just go with 20% growth, our expenses don’t grow at that rate. So about 2% we have got from operating leverage.

And the remaining is actually last year, we had a significant provisioning for receivables, which is not there this year. So if I draw a bridge from the 25% odd to 35% or the 10% EBITDA improvement, 4% is from gross margin, largely because of year-end credit notes for increased volumes, 2% is operating leverage and 4% is because of reduced provisioning of doubtful debts because we’ve been quite diligent in ensuring we collect our money and our outstanding is within range.

Raman KV

Okay. Thank you, sir. And my last question is with respect to the FY ’26 guidance. So can you give us some guidance with respect to revenue growth and the volume growth?

Rahul Guha

See, we normally don’t give guidance, but I can give you a broad range. See, at 20% growth, you know, we are already sitting on a very-high base with the industry growing only at 10%, 11%. You must recognize growing at 20% means we have taken a substantial share from the unorganized players as well as a little bit from the organized players. They will come back, you know, with price reductions and all of that. So I would be cautious and say that mid-teens growth is what I have always been guiding towards. We have, of course over-delivered in this year, but you must recognize it’s on a very-high base.

So I think we’ll be confident growth continuing into the next year. And I think if we can keep the full-year margin at this level, we will be happy. You know, of course, we may get some benefit of increased volumes and additional, let’s say, discounts when we go into the next year, but it’s difficult to commit at this point in time. So I would say, while not a specific guidance, I would say you know, we are — would be happy with mid-teens growth with stable margins where they are.

Raman KV

Mid-teens volume growth or revenue growth? Revenue growth?

Rahul Guha

Actually our — see the — while it may appear that a lot of our growth has come from price because the volumes — volume growth is about 14%, while the revenue growth is about 20%. But actually it’s not because we have raised prices. It is just our tiered pricing structure. It’s a bit complicated to explain in a call, but we have a slab-wise pricing structure. So as people move into different slabs and whoever joins us at a low — at a high slab, they typically see a higher price.

And only when they grow their volumes does their price come down. So you’re seeing a little bit of that effect. It’s not like we raised the price — base price itself. If you look at our thyroid price, it hasn’t changed in the last 10 years, years. So I would say you should expect volume growth and price growth more or less to be at similar levels. We don’t anticipate any material increase in price next year.

Raman KV

Okay. Yeah. Thank you so much.

Operator

Thank you. We’ll take our next question from the line of Prakash Kapadia from Spark PMS. Please go-ahead.

Prakash Kapadia

Yeah, thanks for the opportunity. Am I audible?

Rahul Guha

Yes. Go-ahead, progress. We can hear you progress.

Prakash Kapadia

Thanks. So two, three questions from my end. So one is you did explain, Rahul, about the pricing and margin drivers, which have happened this year. So if I were to further break it down, pathology segment, which is 90% contribution saw revenue growth of 22%. Even on a sequential basis, we’ve seen a huge margin expansion. Year-on-year, obviously, it is very large. Even on a sequential basis, it is up from 32% to I think 36.7% and in the franchisee network, we’ve seen a 22% revenue growth. So what leads to this? Is it high-value test, is it mix change? If you could explain that a bit that will help on the revenue and margin side?

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, please stay connected. We’ve lost the management connections. Request you to stay connected, please Ladies and gentlemen, we request you to stay connected please. The management will rejoin. Thank you Ladies and gentlemen, we have the management team back on the call. MR. Kapadia, can you repeat the question, please? MR. Prakash Kapadia. MR. Prakash Kapadia. Give me a moment please. MR. Prakash Kapadia,

Prakash Kapadia

Yes.

Operator

We have the management team back on the call. Can you please go-ahead?

Prakash Kapadia

Yes, yes.,

Rahul Guha

Are we audible?

Operator

Yeah, Mr Kapadia, I’m sorry about that. Please go-ahead with your question.

Prakash Kapadia

Yes, I can. Thank you for your question. Thank you. Yeah, I will repeat my questions. Yeah. So Rahul, I was trying to understand the revenue and margin piece a bit better. So you know, the question was it to the — both the segments, if I — if I were to look at franchisee network, there has been a huge realization change. So is it you know high-end test? Is it more package test? What has happened on the franchisee network if you could comment on that? And pathology segment, we’ve seen a huge margin change on a sequential basis also from 22% to 36.7%. So you know what kind of margin and a mix would you expect next year as we move forward? That’s the question on margin and the revenue side?

And secondly, you know from a competitive landscape, have things been better-off, which is leading to some of this margin expansion? I did your — you’re talking about operating leverage because of higher-growth. So any sense on-the-ground competitive intensity? And lastly, any update on the merger, which media was speculating few months ago.

Rahul Guha

Sure. So let me take the questions one-by-one. I’ll just give you a little bit of a highlight and then I’ll ask Nitin to cover little bit more in detail. Sure, sure. As I said, one is, you must recognize the base of franchisees we have added up quite substantially, right, over the last three years, right. So that is one, which is the revenue uplift. Now when you come to the realization, it’s largely actually coming from, one, the mix of the partners. So what happens is if you are a small partner, you get a higher-rate and if you are a large partner, you get a lower rate. And we’ve been adding more-and-more smaller partners that actually improves the realization.

But more importantly, actually, we are really worked on enhancing the mix. So you know — and Nitin will talk a little bit more in detail, but thyroid used to be our prominent test and we were mostly a rupee player, but we have launched technologies like coagulation, histopathology and many, many more technologies into our network. We used to have a test menu of 300 tests. Today, we have a test menu of close to 1,000 tests, right? So that is also helping on the realization front.

Prakash Kapadia

It’s a combination, Rahul, it’s a combination of specialized test contribution increasing and the mix from the franchisee, which is leading to this higher realization?

Rahul Guha

Exactly.

Prakash Kapadia

Okay. And if you could share a number on an annual basis, what would be specialized test contribution versus routine would help?

Rahul Guha

See, generally — generally we qualify as we generally categorize our tests as basically preventive full-body alumnium versus, right? Our alumium revenue-share is almost 35% oil, right, which used to be almost 40%. So while ROPM business has individually also grown upwards of 20%, our contribution from our non-ROPM, which includes our single test, some profile and specialized test has continuously been increasing and thus giving us some leverage on the margin front.

Prakash Kapadia

Okay. Okay.

Rahul Guha

Then coming to your second question on the margin improvement, both and Alok also to chip-in a little bit. But on a sequential basis, if you see the gross margin has improved by about 1%, right? We were anyway last quarter at about 73% GM, we are at 74%. So 1% is what I said, the year-end volume discounts that we’ve been able to realize from our partners. But the other is our employee cost is on the lower side this year — this quarter relative to the last quarter and we are getting the benefit of operating leverage on our other expenses. Quarter-on-quarter our revenue grew 13%, but our other expenses grew only 6%, right? So that’s broadly what explains the improvement in margin from Q3 to Q4, which is what you’re saying. And additional provision for receivable has also reduced. Right, right.

Prakash Kapadia

And you said directionally, if we maintain this 33% 34% on an annual basis EBITDA margin, we should be happy, right, from a next year perspective?

Rahul Guha

No, no, I was saying 31% if I can manage on a non-annualized basis FY ’26. This is a very seasonal business for us. So Q3 is bad Q1 yeah, Q4 is heavy, right. So I don’t want to build expectations on — right. Yes, while in the second-half of the year, we have been quite healthy on the margin. We are also investing in specialized test, newer labs, all of that. So — and as I’ve always been saying, any operating leverage I get, I invest back-in growth.

Prakash Kapadia

Understood. Understood. And if you could Raul comment on that farm easy thing, it will be helpful any progress, any update or status quo or I don’t think.

Rahul Guha

See, these were just media speculation. As I said, there was no discussion in the Board I don’t think there has been any material discussion on this in the pharmacy side as well. I think we can leave it as media speculation. If there was any real need to it, I think it has been now four, five months since that something would have happened by now. Right, right.

Prakash Kapadia

Understood. I’ll join back the queue if I have more questions. Thank you. All the best.

Operator

Thank you. We’ll take our next question from the line of Chirag from Keynote Capital. Please go-ahead.

Chirag

Yes, thank you for the opportunity. So first of all, I would like to know that this time the sample data was not mentioned in the investor presentation. Could you give me the annual number of samples?

Rahul Guha

The quarterly number of samples is about 66 lakhs. So it’s a few year-on-year growth of about 15%, which is in-line with patient growth. The total annual volume, I mean it will be about 66 lakhs into four roughly so 240. The number is 25.3 million 253 53,

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, we apologize. Please go-ahead with your question, sir.

Chirag

Sure. Sir, my second question is when I was trying to understand that as you have mentioned that the Reason for growth has to do with the addition of more smaller partners. Do you mean that — from this, do you mean that the franchisee partners you’re talking about, right?

Rahul Guha

Yes. Yes.

Chirag

Okay. So the number of — number of franchisee stores we have at almost 16%, it is clearly visible that is driving the volume. I wanted to understand the second part of the business, which is the partnership business, which includes the online platform or the PPP — PPP public public-private partnership, that growth has also had been significant. Could you give some color what was the reason behind that growth in this part of the business?

Rahul Guha

Sure. I’ll again give you just the highlight and then let’s actually healthTech is you know, a significant part of this business, but also now our penetration into corporate and insurance is actually doing very well for us. Listen, you can add without actually naming the partners, has been the most significant in terms of revenue for us.

Operator

Sorry to interrupt, so you’re sounding a little distant. Can you come closer to the microphone, please

Rahul Guha

Yeah, is it better or no?

Operator

Yes, sir, please go-ahead.

Rahul Guha

Okay. So see, so we generally categorize our businesses like health tech, corporate business insurance and there is — there is another section which is our online campaigners and other partners. All four — all four lines have actually grown upwards of 25% almost with Healthech and corporate leading the charge. So these are all either on APIs or using some sort of platform with us and they can be from any segment, be it aggregate — health aggregators or online platforms like pharmacy and others. It can be all your insurance players, which can include annual health checkers as well as PPMC businesses and in many other search partners whosoever has another front-end or corporate directly diagnostic business and we just plug-in our services from the back-end.

Chirag

Okay. Okay. Fair enough, sir. Sir, as you know, as you just mentioned that we like to give —

Operator

, can you use your handset mode, please?

Chirag

Am I audible now?

Operator

Yes, please go-ahead.

Chirag

Yes. Sir, as you mentioned that you’d like to give the bifurcation of revenue both on ROQM and non-RQM. Is it possible for you to give the testimony also, which is currently 1,000? Could you diversify into both? What number of test menues are in ROGM and what is in no, it’s actually not the right way to clarify.

Rahul Guha

Arrogium is a combination of many tests and then we sell the test individually. So there is actually a fair bit of overlap of what is in an and what is in non-RBM. It’s just that when someone books an ROGM package, it is booked as a package, whereas you may book a CBC, or individual tests and then that gets categorized as non-ROPM. So there’s not that much difference in what is in an ROPM versus what is in non-ROBM. So difficult to give you that breakdown, but our ROBM is I think roughly 35% of our business, which is basically somebody wellness, right? Preventive wellness preventive full-body, but see, there are lot of patients who know they have — they are suffering from two, three different things and thus they feel instead of spending an X amount, I can just spend maybe 20% 30%, 40% higher and get a full-body done like an annual thing, right? So is there as well. None is generally very.

Chirag

Fair enough. Sir, my next question is related to the dividend that we have distributed. Almost entired the profit that we have under distributed as dividend. Is there any requirement of capex or shall I expect that dividend policy is around — is going to be around 100 percentage of the profits.

Kapil Gupta

I’ll ask Alok to give in detail, but I think from an operating cash-flow generation, we are actually in a very comfortable place where we are able to cover. You have to remember we are a zero-debt company. We have significant cash returns. In FY ’25, we would have generated operating cash-flow of INR191 crores, right, which is more than sufficient. Our capex is roughly about INR40 crore INR50 crores a year, not more than that. So — and then the remaining whatever we keep a little bit of reserves, but the rest we distribute as dividends. Whenever we have a material acquisition, then we evaluate it, but we have chosen the path of a more string of acquisition rather than one big acquisition. So we are typically cherry-picking smaller acquisitions in territories where we are weak. And so the need to generate a lot of cash — keep aside a lot of cash for acquisition is not so much.

Just adding down here, so we are — we are keeping around 80 plus CR of cash reserve in for the next financial year and the contingency. And continuing with the growth trends and all, we are expecting that the same level of cash flows are going to be generated and going to meet the requirements and also we are going to be available ready for the capex investment, some acquisition plans what we are going to do in the current financial year, we are able to do the cash-flow generations and the results what we are going to carry, plus the dividends what we are offering is going to continue.

Yeah. And I must also caution on the acquisition side. You know, we have found when we are doing these acquisitions, it takes up a lot of management regardless of the size of the acquisition, whether you acquire a small company or a big company, the amount of time and effort of the management is quite substantial, right? So we are being very choosy about deploying our capital into acquisitions. Our organic business is doing very well with 22% growth. As we have seen in the presentation, inorganic added only 2%. So I think we will keep the focus on franchise addition, partner addition and be very selective about the acquisitions.

And as Alok said, even with the dividend that the Board has recommended, we still have sufficient cash reserves after our depreciation, everything to manage the business.

Chirag

Fair enough, sir. Sir, could you give some color on what kind of franchisee growth are you expecting in the next few years time span as you specified that focus would be on adding number of franchisee and partners. So I’m not focusing more about the number of sales figures, but if you have some kind of criteria, self-set goals, how much growth you would take-over there? Just a ballpark number.

Rahul Guha

Actually ask I’ll ask to take it. Yes, we have our own targets, so we can share them.

Alok Jagnani

Yeah. So see, we are planning to add upwards of 1,500 Libu franchise partners to our ecosystem. That’s the range that we are looking-forward with some investment this year that we are doing in focusing more-and-more on-network expansion, right? There is no specific criteria as such. Obviously, there is a certain benchmark that we feel that this much should be the business to get them get them into the ecosystem or if it is very small, how can we add that franchise through our another super franchise, which are basically a large franchisees. So it’s a mix of both. But yes, generally, wherever we see business, we are just going and meeting them, calling them, etc. and giving our value propositions to convert them and bring them to.

Chirag

Fair enough. Fair enough. Sir, any color on the extension of test menu that you have under which is currently 1,000, any guidance that you are going to make at 2,000 in the coming five years time-frame? Any color on that?

Rahul Guha

Let me let me tell you that. See, actually a better cut is to look at it by technology rather than by test. You know, I think now we are present in almost every single technology relative to our peers, except allergy and genomics, which are two areas that we are exploring for this year. Then once you have the technology, actually, once you see the demand, it’s very easy to let’s say, go from 1,000 to 1,500, right, right and expand it, but it really you need to be able to be confident that we are going to see the demand, but there’s actually very little incremental cost for us to go from INR1,000 crores to INR1,500. But the technologies that we are going to invest in are allergy and genomics in this year?

Chirag

Fair enough. Fair enough. And sir, sir, last question from my side. I wanted to understand the reason for company to issue the parent companies as ESOP and not Tyrocare. Any particular reason for this? And what kind of revenue contribution does TyroCare has in its parents’ overall revenue.

Rahul Guha

So API accounts for about 10%, 11% of revenue. We are the exclusive partner to labs. So all tests that are done in are processed at Care. So to that extent, you know, the exposure of is about 10%. The group overall has a standard ESOP policy for all group employees. And so that — those ESOPs are given to all employees, many of us in this room as well. In a way it is because the employees are incentivized overall at a group level and to maintain parity across the different group entity.

I think that is why it’s done. And also, I think we didn’t want to really dilute the ESOPs of — sorry, dilute the equity of the shareholders, right, by then giving ESOPs at. The ESOP tool was created in API and was available for all group entities, not just. And so in that way, the API group has been in a way generous to you know, incentivize the management teams across all group entities with group entity rather than diluting in the subsidiary entity.

Chirag

Thank you so much for your answer.

Operator

Thank you. We’ll take our next question from the line of Yogesh Sonje from InCred Equity. Please go-ahead.

Yogesh Sonje

Thank you for the opportunity and congratulations on the good set of performance. My first question is a follow-up on the previous participant’s question on acquisition. So sir, have we set-aside any amount for acquisitions for FY ’26? And another question is on the nuclear performance. So given the kind of 20% margin that nuclear has done in Q4. How do we see the margin for FY ’26? Do we expect the margin performance to sustain or that’s it from my side.

Rahul Guha

On the — let me take the first question, have we set-aside funds for acquisition? Not a large amount, I would say. We are — as I had said earlier, we had very focused geographies, Gujarat, Rajasthan, the Northeast, where we are looking where our presence is weak for acquisitions. I think we should be able to cover those geographies in the range of about INR15 crores to INR20 crores. So I don’t anticipate more than that being deployed in acquisitions in this financial year. Coming to your question on nuclear, I think nuclear has reached a sustainable level from a gross margin point-of-view, we’ve taken a substantial price movement in nuclear and I’m hopeful it will sustain but I think let’s wait-and-watch for one or two more quarters before we can say that this is the new base level for nuclear

Yogesh Sonje

So just one more question. I missed out on the Arugium contribution. If you could help me with contribution in Q4 and for the whole FY ’25. You want to take that?

Rahul Guha

See, ROPM contribution is fairly similarly distributed across quarters, especially Q4, because — so it is 35% like I said in my previous answer as well. But it’s generally the same. Not only in Q4, it increases by 1% or 2% on the back of a lot of full-body testing that happens in Q4.

Yeah. And I’ll just take this opportunity to talk about. Janch has actually grown 25% year-on-year and is doing very well in our portfolio as well.

Yogesh Sonje

Okay, sir. Thank you. That’s it from my side.

Operator

Thank you.

Rahul Guha

Just on a lighter note, if you’re there, we miss your colleague, Ajit.

Operator

We’ll take our next question from the line of Palak Shah from Entrust Family Office. Please go-ahead.

Palak Shah

Hi, Rahul thank you so much for taking my question. Nitin, you mentioned that the value volume gap that we are seeing today is predominantly because you have added a lot of new franchisees, which should be the bottom grade of the franchisee slabs, right? But as these guys grew in size, does it effectively see that the value volume grap gap can actually go negative, given that this year was a massive addition from another 400 to 11,100 in a single year. Subsequent years, you can have that reversal happening. Is it a possibility?

Rahul Guha

Yeah. Understood your question. What you’re saying is you are adding smaller franchisees, so they come at bronze categories, right? And as they move-up to platinum, their price realization will go down. So this positive gap that you’re seeing will it become negative as the inventory actually. So the retention cohort also, if we see, yes, even if we add smaller franchisees, right, they generally end-up doing, say, a 2.5x revenue in the second year when they join us and then a 3.5x revenue to their first year revenue. So they, yes, they keep growing and the price realization becomes a little lesser.

But then see there is almost 100 — more than 150,000 collection centers of sorts, which are like endpoints where we can get business from. And if we are today sitting at only 11,000, there is a large bedroom still available to get more-and-more new franchisees added. And with our current run-rate of almost 1,500 to 2,000 odd franchisees, that’s our target range if we can add. I think we are still good for next three to five years.

Yeah. So to put it differently, if we were to stop franchise addition, then yes, your cases would be true, but we have no plans to stop franchise addition.

Palak Shah

Got it. Got it. And secondly, on the imaging services Immaging services profitability, what drove this delta sudden sharp delta from last quarter loss of INR2 crores to almost profit at PBT level this quarter. So anything specific interventions that we have done to change this and how sustainable are they?

Rahul Guha

Yeah. As I told you, if I do the bridge year-on-year, 4% has come from gross margin, 2% has come from operating leverage, 4% has come from provision of doubtful debt. If you look at it at a sequential level, the — you know, the overall leverage has been again about I think 4%, 5%. That has mostly come from operating leverage. Q3 is always a bad quarter for this industry, but your costs are the same, right, because we have our manpower cost and our operating expenses, which are by and large fixed. So as you go into Q4, which is the growth quarter in this industry and particularly for us, you get the operating leverage benefit. So to your point on sustainability, as I said, you know, I think you should take the full-year EBITDA as the base, which is about 31% normalized before ESOP cost and we are targeting to maintain in that range.

Palak Shah

Sorry, my question was regarding the imaging services PBT profit that you have reported this quarter, not the consol number.

Rahul Guha

Okay. Nuclear, as I’ll maybe let Alok take that. But I do believe that in nuclear the revenue is kind of stabilized where it is. Costs are — the main intervention to your question is we have taken price up and that is slowing down for the bottom-line. So we are expecting that next year also the top-line and the cost lines are going to remain in the same trend and marginal growth is going to be there some single-digit what I’m expecting. Some price increase and other things which we are going to happen, then we are able to get the benefit of that. Are there two new locations for which we are exploring and if that is going to be added of the existing machine what we have, then that’s going to be add-on to add-up on to the top-line and there is.

Palak Shah

Got it. So effectively we are looking to invest more capital on the nuclear side, right.

Rahul Guha

No, no, no, no. We are — we will maintain the centers that are there and we will continue to optimize the cost but you must to set-up a new center is a INR10 crore investment. At this point. We are not contemplating up new centers and

Palak Shah

Great. Thank you so much for your answer and congratulations on a very good set of numbers. All the best. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Thank you. We’ll take our next question from the line of Sumit Sarda from Compound Everyday Capital. Please go-ahead.

Sumit Sarda

Yeah, hi. Thank you. Hope I’m audible.

Operator

Yes, please go-ahead.

Rahul Guha

Yes.

Sumit Sarda

Just two questions. One, receivables are up from around INR40 crore INR50 crores sequentially or year-on-year to INR73 crores. So any color on those? And secondly, any update on about revenue, margins and any plans for growth? Thank you.

Rahul Guha

Sure. I’ll let Alok explain the receivablespond. Alok.

Alok Jagnani

So on the receivable, if you see that there is an increase of around INR30 crores as count. So it has two-parts. One is the business has grown, partnership business where the credit we normally offer. If the business will grow at a rate of 35% to 40% partnership business, then the on account of that is also going to happen and around INR10 crore INR12 crore to INR15 crores of betas have gone on that norm. Similarly, like the API is a similar tech partner. Is like a tech partner what other partners are and earlier we are offering lesser credit period to them.

But as a competition and price assessment has come that we have to offer the same credit period what we are offering to our other tech partners and the partnership business partners. So considering that the two months additional credit period has been offered, earlier it was one month, now it has increased to three months. That’s what we are offering to other partners also three months, resulting around INR16 crores to INR18 crores of top-line increased together is INR30 crore and on still less than year since we actually started to operate the lab. But I’ll ask to give a little bit of flavor of what’s going on there.

Yes, see, Tanzania, like Ahul said is in its very nascent stages, right, because even when the lab got started, then we went out-of-the market for the first time explaining what is, going and reaching our clients with our pricing, et-cetera. And then people slowly started — started testing us with one or two samples here and there to foresee our serviceability, et-cetera, right. So if you see Q2 versus Q3 versus Q4 in this financial year, it’s like we have grown more than 100% in these quarters. So today we are already at a run-rate of doing almost 60 lakhs a border, which is then scheduled to grow almost 100% in the next quarter. That’s — that’s how we’ve been growing. But yes, we are still cautious on which partners we are adding and how we are growing our business.

But yes, we are already now working with almost 150 partners there. And everyone is starting slow and then slowly moving their wallet share to us. Yeah, we’ve doubled every quarter. Last 3/4, we’ve doubled to reach 60 lakhs, but it’s such a small number right now it’s not worth talking about.

Sumit Sarda

Thank you. That’s all from my side. All the best.

Operator

Thank you. We’ll take our last question from the line of Chirag from Keynote Capital. Please go-ahead.

Chirag

Yes, thank you for the follow-up. Sir, I wanted to know what will be the effective tax-rate going-forward?

Rahul Guha

I’ll let answer that. What will be the effective tax-rate going-forward?

Alok Jagnani

It’s going to be around 20% to 29%. 20% to 29 percentage. 28% to 29 percentage.

Sumit Sarda

Okay, okay. That is it. That is it from my side. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, as there are no further questions, I now hand the conference over to Mr Rahul for closing comments. Over to you, sir.

Rahul Guha

Thank you, everyone, for joining us and spending time with us this evening. As always, we continue to remain focused on our strategy, which is to be the most affordable, good-quality diagnostic testing partner for anyone in the healthcare business and we continue to execute on that strategy. We have been investing in improving our quality, improving our reach and ensuring our turnaround time is as close to best-in-class. We made substantial progress on all of this and that is what is driving the results that you see. I thank you all for your support in this journey, and I wish you all a good evening. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you, members of the management team. On behalf of Tyro Care Technologies Limited, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us and you may now disconnect your lines

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