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SBI LIFE INSURANCE CO LTD (SBILIFE) Q4 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

SBI LIFE INSURANCE CO LTD (NSE: SBILIFE) Q4 2025 Earnings Call dated Apr. 24, 2025

Corporate Participants:

Amit JhingranManaging Director & Chief Executive Officer

Sangramjit SarangiPresident & Chief Financial Officer

Abhijit GulanikarPresident – Business Strategy

Analysts:

Avinash SinghAnalyst

Nischint ChawatheAnalyst

Shreya ShivaniAnalyst

Prayesh JainAnalyst

Dipanjan GhoshAnalyst

Supratim DattaAnalyst

Swarnabha MukherjeeAnalyst

Madhukar LadhaAnalyst

Sanketh GodhaAnalyst

Aditi JoshiAnalyst

Mohit MangalAnalyst

Neeraj ToshniwalAnalyst

Shobhit SharmaAnalyst

Presentation:

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good day and welcome to the Q4 and FY ’25 Earnings Conference Call of SBI Life Insurance Company Limited. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen-only mode and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. [Operator Instructions]

I now hand the conference over to Mr. Amit Jhingran, MD and CEO, SBI Life Insurance Company Limited. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Amit JhingranManaging Director & Chief Executive Officer

Good afternoon, everyone. It is a pleasure to welcome you all for the results update call of SBI Life Insurance for the year ended, 31 March 2025. We appreciate and thank you wholeheartedly for the valuable time and efforts for joining our earnings call. Update on our financial results can be assessed on our website as well as on the websites of both the stock exchanges. Along with me, Mr. Sangramjit Sarangi, President and CFO; Mr. Abhijit Gulanikar, President, Business and Strategy; Mr Subhendu Bal, Chief Actuary and Chief Risk Officer; Mr. Prithesh Chaubey, Appointed Actuary; and Ms. Smita Verma, Senior Vice-President, Finance and Investor Relations are present.

It is a momentous ok reason as we announce our financial results today while stepping into the 25th year of business operation of SBI Life Insurance Company. Looking back, we have witnessed significant transformation not just within our organization, but across the insurance industry itself. From introducing life insurance to a relatively untapped market to becoming a household name with a comprehensive suite of products, SBI Life has consistently evolved into a trusted brand. Our ability to adapt, innovate and respond to the changing needs of our customers has been key to this journey. The milestone stands as a testament to the enduring trust of our customers and the dedication of our people who deliver on our promise of protection and peace of mind every day.

Our strong partnerships, the expertise and commitment of our employees have been instrumental in our growth. Through strategic investment in technology and an unwavering focus on customer satisfaction, we have delivered robust performance and strengthened our position in the market. Over the past year, we have strengthened our foundation, enhancing customer experience, driving innovation and reinforcing our position in a dynamic and competitive industry. The results we share today reflect not just financial growth, but the real impact we have made in the lives of our customers.

I am pleased to report progress across three areas, particularly in agency and bancassurance productivity, thanks to focused efforts and strong teamwork. We have also continued to evolve our offerings by staying close to customer insights and market trends. In four months, we added four new non-unit products to our portfolio; Smart Platina Supreme, Smart Bachat Plus, Smart Platina Young Achiever and Smart Future Star. These products sold more than 1.5 lakhs policies and collected more than INR1,100 crores of new business premium from just these four products. Moving forward, we remain committed to continuously assessing and refining our offerings, ensuring that we are well-equipped to meet the dynamic demands of our customers. We recognize that staying attuned to customer preferences and market trends is essential for our continued success.

Now let me give you some key highlights of the year ended 31st March 2025. New business premium stands at INR355.8 billion and maintained private market leadership with share of 20.8%. Individual new business premium stands at INR263.6 billion with a growth of 11% and private market-share of 25.3%. For Q4 FY ’25, the company’s individual new business premium grew by 7% over the same-period last year as compared to industry growth of 5%. Gross written premium stands at INR849.9 billion, a growth of 4%.

Profit-after-tax stands at INR24.13 billion with a strong growth of 27%. The value of new business stands at INR59.5 billion. VONB margin stands at 27.8% for period ended, 31, 2025. Embedded value for the company as on, 31, 2025 stands at INR702.5 billion, registering a growth of 21% over, 31 March 2024. Our asset under management stands at INR4.48 trillion with a growth of 15% over last year. Our solvency ratio at 1.96 sorry, take that as 1.96 as against the regulatory requirement of 1.50.

Now we will update you on some of the key parameters in details. Let me start with premium. Individual new business has grown to INR263.6 billion with a growth of 11% over last year. The company’s private market-share stands at 25.3% and industry market-share stands at 15.8%. On individual rated new business, we stand at INR193.5 billion with a growth of 12% over last year. And we maintained our leadership position with private market-share of 22.8% and total market-share of 16.1%. The company’s three-year CAGR of individual rated new business premium stands at 15%, outpacing the industry CAGR of 11%. We have witnessed some headwinds in group business, particularly with our group savings product.

Group new business premium stands at INR92.2 billion with contribution of 26% in new business premiums. Having said that, we have collected total new business premium of INR355.8 billion. The company’s private market-share stands at 20.8% and total market-share stands at 9.0%. The company’s three-year CAGR of new business premium stands at 12%, outpacing the industry CAGR of 8%. Renewal premium during the year grew by 14% to INR494.1 billion, which accounts for 58% of the gross written premium. To sum-up, the gross written premium stands at INR849.8 billion with a growth of 4% over corresponding previous year.

In terms of APE, premium stands at INR214.2 billion, registering a growth of 9%. Out of this, individual APE stands at INR195.9 billion with a growth of 13%. During the year ended, March 31, 2025, total 22.03 lakh new policies were issued. Number of lives covered during the year ended 31 March 2025 is 25.5 million. The growth in sum issued as a positive indicator of consumer confidence and the increasing awareness of importance of financial protection. Individual new business sum issued registered a growth of 43% over corresponding previous period and for the quarter growth was at 67%.

Let me give you some details about the product mix. For FY 2024-’25, guaranteed non-par savings products grew by 18% on new business premium basis, while in quarter four, guaranteed non-par savings product registered growth of 56%. On individual APE basis, the segment now contributes 20%. Individual ULIP new business is at INR162 billion with a growth of 18% over last year and it constitutes 62% of individual new business. However, in last quarter, ULIP witnessed de-growth. The movement of ULIP can be attributed to the movements in equity market and this trend is evident across industry. This apart from our focus on the traditional products.

Individual protection new business is at INR7.9 billion. Individual protection business for Q4 FY ’25 has grown by 40% on NBP basis as compared to quarter three FY ’25. Group protection new business stands at INR33 billion. Credit business has grown by 11% and it stands at INR25.2 billion. Protection business contributes 10% of APE and stands at INR20.5 billion. Retirement plans assist customers in building a substantial corpus of funds to maintain the desired lifestyle and manage expenses in their golden years. Total annuity and pension new business underwritten by the company is INR71.6 billion.

Moving to update on distribution partners. With a strength of more than 59,000 CIFs, SBI and RRBs, bancassurance business contributes a share of 61% on total APE basis and on individual APE basis, it stands at INR127.5 billion with growth of 9%. SBI branch productivity on individual APE terms stands at INR5.4 million for the year and registered a growth of 9%. With enhanced focus on agency channel and strategic launch of Agency 2.0 in last financial year, we have witnessed impressive strides in agent activation, agency channel productivity and onboarding of new agents and better collaboration between agents.

Our agent productivity for the year stands at INR2.9 lakhs on individual NBP terms, registering a growth of 20% over previous year. Agency registered individual new business growth of 28% over corresponding previous year and contributes 27%. Agency channel individual APE showed a growth of 23% over last year and stands at INR59.5 billion. As on March 31, 2025, the total number of agents stands at 2,40,304. During the year ended, the company added more than 97,500 agents on gross basis. As part of our strategic initiative to strengthen our presence across the country, we have opened 70 new branches this financial year. This expansion is aligned with our vision to create infrastructure that supports the long-term development of our agency channel.

Our expansion strategy targets are carefully designed to cater not only to Tier-1 and Tier-2 cities, but also to underserved Tier-3 and Tier-4 regions. All these steps have resulted in increase in the share of agency channels in individual rated premium from 28% in previous year to 30% in current year. During the year ended March 31, 2025, other channels, that is direct corporate agents, brokers, online and web aggregators grew by 22% in terms of individual new business premium. Linked business through other channels registered growth of 39% on APE basis. We are investing in building our online business channel. Individual rated premium through this channel has grown by 66% for the current year as compared to previous year and protection business through this channel on IRP terms grew by 31% as compared to previous year.

Coming to updates on profitability, the company’s profit-after-tax for the year ended March 31, 2025 stands at INR24 billion with a robust growth of 27% as compared to previous year. Our solvency remained strong at 1.96 as against regulatory requirement of 1.50. Value of new business stands at INR59.5 billion with growth of 7% and VONB margin stands at 27.8% for the year ended March 31, 2025, as compared to 28.1% in FY 2024. The shift in VONB is mainly on account of increase in share of ULIP business as compared to previous period. We have doubled our VONB in last four years. However, during the fourth-quarter, VONB grew by 10% as compared to the same-period previous year, faster than Q4 APE growth and VONB margin stands at 30.5% for the quarter, a gain of 220 bps as compared to the same previous period previous year. The shift is driven by change in-product mix.

Embedded value for the company as on March 31, 2025, stands at INR702.5 billion, registering a growth of 21% over March 31, 2024. Embedded value operating profit stands at INR117.8 billion with a growth of 20% over previous year and operating return on embedded value stands at 20.2%. Coming to operational efficiency, opex ratio stands at 5.3% and total cost ratio stands at 9.7% for the year ended March 31, 2025 as compared to 4.9% and 8.9%, respectively, for the year ended March 31, 2024. With respect to persistency of individual regular premium, 13th month persistency stands at 87.41%, an improvement of 63 basis points and 61st month’s persistency stands at 62.69%, an improvement of 528 basis-points.

As mentioned in my opening remarks, asset under management stands at INR4.48 trillion as at March 31, 2025, having growth of 15%. Debt claim settlement ratio stands at 99.4%. The company has registered an improvement of 23 basis-points over last year. Our misselling ratio stands at 0.02%, which is one of the lowest in the industry and this is achieved through our consistent approach adopted by the company to ensure right selling to the customers. Digitalization is transforming the life insurance industry, enabling us to deliver enhanced services and a more seamless experience for our customers. As we embrace this digital transformation, we remain committed to innovation and excellence, ensuring that we stay ahead in an increasingly competitive landscape. The company continuous efficient usage of technology for simplification of processes with 99% of our individual proposals being submitted digitally. 54% of the individual proposals are processed through automated underwriting.

To conclude, by fostering a culture of resilience and continuous improvement, supported by a clear focus of developing agency channel along with the partner banca networks, we are confidently positioned for the future. Our commitment to exceptional customer service strengthens client relationships and reinforces our status as a trusted leader in the market. In order to maintain our leadership position, our strategy moving forward will center on three main areas; innovation, customer-centricity and sustainability. And we will achieve this by enhancing digital capabilities, expanding reach, strengthening distribution networks and product development. With a focus on long-term sustainable and profitable growth, we aim to create lasting value for our customers, shareholders and communities paving the way for a prosperous future together.

Thank you, all and now we are ready to take any questions from you.

Questions and Answers:

Operator

Thank you very much. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] The first question is from the line of Avinash Singh from Emkay Global Financial Services. Please go-ahead.

Avinash Singh

Good evening. Thanks for the opportunity. Very impressive. So, on margins and I mean this against must demonstrate your ability to tweak the product mix and your cost-effectiveness that of course helps deliver this margin. My question will more be focusing on growth. The first one is that now, of course, this year your conscious choice to leave a space or vacate a space due to hyper competition in group business has also kind of led to headline number being a bit muted. Now with this base and also whatever is happening, now the base turning favorable. But on the retail side, of course, you’re cursed on non-banca and also banca base turning reasonable, but the noise remains around banca. So in all — I mean if you were to connect the dot, how do sort of you see growth next year because that’s one of the key metrics?

And second, within — I mean, if I see, of course, I mean, your focus on non-banca delivery numbers agency has improved. But two things I noticed about agency. If I look at just Q4 in isolation, the growth in agency is just like a very, very muted 4%. So the agency channel that was growing at 28% till nine months, the full-year number has come up to 21%. So Q4, what happened to this agency growth? And in relation to that, agency has seen a large number of deletions. Is there some sort of a strategic choice that you are kind of removing the inactive agents also because there has been a large amount of deletions, so there has not even net addition this year in agency. So these are my two questions; growth outlook and second on agency.

Amit Jhingran

Talking of the growth first of the Q4, you would have noticed that the overall industry growth in Q4 has been sluggish. And our company, although agency channel was somewhat affected, but there were other reasons also for the agency slower growth. Our focus on agency channel during the quarter was making more agents active by way of our traditional and protection product. So while the overall agency growth was only around 4%, but there was substantial growth in contribution of non-ULIP products from the agency channel. So that number is reflecting in our overall product mix also. Talking of overall growth, we delivered on individual IRP basis 12% growth. And going-forward, we expect that we will continue to grow at around 13% to 14%, which will be slightly above the industry growth that is being expected today at around 12%. So this growth we are expecting from our continued focus on agency channel, where we are again opening more branches, reaching at having addition of more agents and increasing agent productivity as well as their activation. So that growth from agency channel, we are again expecting at around 25% on this strong base.

On the banca side, we have grown by around 8% during the year and we expect that going-forward, we will be growing at around 10% or in low-double-digits in the banca channel. Overall, the growth expectation of 13% to 14% we are standing-by. As far as the number of agents you talked about, so you rightly picked that despite a gross addition of around 97,000 agents, our net addition was slightly negative — marginally negative. That was rightly on account of [Indecipherable] of inactive agents. So we in stuck to our minimum business guarantee, minimum business from agents and all those agents who are not contributing substantially to the company, to the business were removed.

Avinash Singh

Okay, sir. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Nischint Chawathe from Kotak Institutional Equities. Please go-ahead.

Nischint Chawathe

Yeah, thanks for taking my question. Just trying to understand that in the Group Protect business what has driven such high-growth this quarter.

Sangramjit Sarangi

Grown very strongly in quarter four for us in group protect business. And there has been some other GTI deals, employer, employee kinds also which have come. So the big degrowth has happened in fund business, but the protection business has done well in-quarter four.

Nischint Chawathe

Yeah, credit protect is up, I think you mentioned around 10%, right?

Sangramjit Sarangi

That is for the year. For the quarter, it is higher.

Nischint Chawathe

Great. Okay.

Sangramjit Sarangi

MD sir, told for the year figure, quarter figure, if I remember the number right is 20%

Nischint Chawathe

[Indecipherable]

Sangramjit Sarangi

Yes.

Nischint Chawathe

Got it. In the VNB walk, what is the change in operating assumption? I believe if I look at the nine-month walk, the number was other ratio was higher and it’s now gone down in this quarter.

Abhijit Gulanikar

So if you look at the nine months that completion was the last year March. And when we come to this year, it is last March this March. And the assumption we mainly on account of the mortality and persistency. Because have you seen this as a company, we use the sustainable assumption for future and continuously we are making operating surpluses on both account and mortality as well per. Some part of that we capitalize as reflected in the assumption change.

Nischint Chawathe

And when we look at the rolling-12 months in the nine-month presentation versus now — I mean it kind of means that maybe some of the assumptions may have been toned down.

Abhijit Gulanikar

No, actually, if I understand correctly, last year we mix assumption change and the work is around 1% impact and from last March, March ’23 to ’24 when we are reporting the nine-month number that was keep reflecting. And if I compare to March ’24 assumption to March ’25 assumption, it is impact is only 20 basis-points that affected in this one. And that is mainly on the count of some refinement and some capitalization on account of mortality and percentages.

Nischint Chawathe

Yes. Sure. And similar question in EV walk, we have operating variance of around INR750 odd crores. So — and assumption change of INR220 crores, so if you could just maybe give a breakup of that.

Sangramjit Sarangi

So if you look into this INR727 crores operating variance, INR277 crores is coming on account of persistency, INR423 crores on account of mortality, INR17 crores is coming from approximately expenses. So you see this mortality has significant INR423 crore, persistency also because we’ve seen significant improvement in long-term persistency and when I’m looking to long-term persistency, 60% is normal that we have a turnout to be. So that we capitalized in some of the assumptions that also reflect in the EV because the EV book is bigger, the impact you might be seeing in the EV works is higher than what we’re looking into the [Indecipherable].

Nischint Chawathe

Sure. And just one final question. There was a very smart product mix change this quarter, which supported margins. How do you see the product mix in this financial year?

Amit Jhingran

So going forward, what we are looking for is 65%, 35% kind of product mix, I mean 65% of ULIP and 35% of our traditional policies that include participating, non-participating and protection products. So there we expecting a 5% tilt towards traditional products from ULIP during the year.

Nischint Chawathe

So this year ULIP was 65%. So what you’re trying to essentially say is that more or less remain at a similar level.

Amit Jhingran

So this is FY ’25, it is 70%, 30%. So we are expecting that it will go towards 65%, 35% in FY ’26.

Nischint Chawathe

Got it.

Amit Jhingran

Yeah, right. You are talking on the APE basis, I was talking on the IRP basis basically. So that is the difference.

Nischint Chawathe

Got it. So basically around 500 basis-point swing is what you’re talking about.

Amit Jhingran

Yeah.

Nischint Chawathe

Got it. Thank you very much and all the best.

Amit Jhingran

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Shreya Shivani from CLSA. Please go-ahead.

Shreya Shivani

Yeah, thank you for the opportunity. My first question is on the P&L. If I look at the net commissions and rewards as a percentage of total premiums, that is slightly up between FY ’24 and ’25. So what can it be attributed to? I mean, are you paying more to the agents or have some terms and conditions been changed with banca channels? And my second question is on any idea you can give us on the possible regulation, if anything can come up on banca channel? Are there any advanced talks with the regulator or with any government entity? Any idea over there would be useful. Thank you so much.

Amit Jhingran

So the thing is that this talk on banca channel, I have been listening from either the journalists or the analysts, but not from any of the IRDA authority or from the government authorities. So you are aware that the IRDA’s process is very consultative. And till date they have not floated any paper or any draft guidelines regarding any restrictions on banca channel or anything. So this has been going on for more than nine months, almost a year now. But as of now, there are no formal discussions or formal guidelines or even formal draft guidelines for these restrictions or anything. So that is our stand. We will — we have of course, always been with the regulator on any front and we will keep discussing. And if anything comes, we will adjust the company’s stance with that.

Sangramjit Sarangi

And with refers to the net commission, which you have seen that is a little increase on that part is due to the product mix change in the — during the last two quarters, quarter three and quarter-four. So, it is basically the traditional movement has started for us in the last two quarters. That is the reason the net commission has gone up. And overall opex and the total cost ratio of is under the control in a single-digit and we are quite comfortable on that.

Shreya Shivani

Thank you so much. That is useful.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Prayesh Jain from Motilal Oswal. Please go-ahead.

Prayesh Jain

Yeah. Hi, sir. Firstly with respect to VNB margins during the quarter, are we also seeing some improvement in margins at product level with respect to protect plan or with respect to ULIPs where the attachment would have gone up or also could you give us the mix of — in the individual protection, how has been the mix between our written of premium and the normal?

Abhijit Gulanikar

So there is slightly improvement because there are two reasons, mainly movement is happening on the account of product mix. But within the part, we look into that we have launched a high protection part or six months back. We also launched several rider attachment also coming from. So when the rider attaches the product, the inbuilt margin is going up. We have launched children product where we also make some of the inbuilt protections. So that protection is also inbuilt protection also helping enhancing the margin. So you can have their inherent margin enhancement is also to some extent reflected in this quarterly margin.

Prayesh Jain

Okay. So while you gave the guidance on the growth and also give the guidance on product mix, is it fair to fair to expect the VNB margin for full-year FY ’26 to be closer to the fourth-quarter average or how should we think about VNB margins if your product mix kind of pans out the way you have highlighted for the fourth quarter.

Amit Jhingran

So in our last analyst call, we had given a guidance of around 28% margin and I’m happy to note that our overall margin was in the same range. So barring spikes or dips from quarter-to-quarter, we expect to maintain the margin of around 27%, 28% for the full-year.

Prayesh Jain

So in-spite of the fact that the product mix will have large share towards non — towards the non-linked products, which are having higher margins, why should the margins be stable?

Abhijit Gulanikar

Partially, it will also be shipped towards par and par and units have similar margin, there could be some uptick, but broadly it is MD has guided what is the broad margin.

Amit Jhingran

Around 28% of revenue.

Prayesh Jain

Okay. Just my last question on bancassurance channel, you mentioned that the productivity growth has been around 8%, 9% for the year. The premium growth also has been in a similar range. So there is no incremental branch that’s kind of contributing? Or how should we read this? Only the gains are coming in from productivity only and there is a lot of scope, right, to penetrate into SBI Bank. So how should we read this? And how should we think about the outlook going ahead?

Amit Jhingran

So all SBI branches are authorized to sell our banca products. So any increase in number of branches by the bank will automatically increase the number of branches authorized to sell insurance for us also. The increase, of course, is coming from the per branch productivity, and that is what we are focusing upon also. You are rightly saying that banca is one channel which has a lot of opportunities, and we will continue to harness these opportunities in the best possible way with our parent bank and other banca partners also.

Prayesh Jain

Thank you. All the best.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Dipanjan Ghosh from Citi. Please go-ahead.

Dipanjan Ghosh

Hi, good evening. I hope I’m audible. So three questions from my side. First, you guided for around 25% growth at the agency count counter. Now if you look at for FY ’25, your productivity growth at agency was around 15% filing coming in from incremental agency. So if I were to look at the future guidance of 25% growth at agency, how would that breakup between new agent additions versus productivity improvement and how much scope is there to improve productivity?

Second question on this part is on the agent part, are you also focusing on improving the product mix at the agency count basically saying that maybe trying to improve the margin at the agent base? The third question is, in terms of the contribution of the parent bank, so while you have mentioned the APE mix, can you give some color of the contribution of the parent back to the overall VNB of the company? Those were my three questions.

Sangramjit Sarangi

So on the agency front, the growth will come from increasing agents and increasing productivity both and 65-35 kind of product mix broadly is also target for agency, agency might be slightly lower ULIP than the company average. On the banca front…

Amit Jhingran

On the banca side, I mean, we don’t diverge the VONB margin channel-wise or that way. But of course, in the banca partner parent bank, the growth is coming from higher activity and better productivity per branch. We have grown by 8% in parent bank and that is the dominant banca partner for the bank, almost more than 90% business is coming from parent bank itself. So the guidance that we are giving for the current year, the same stands for the parent bank also.

Dipanjan Ghosh

Just one data keeping question. If you can give the credit life APE for the year or quarter?

Sangramjit Sarangi

Credit life APE is around INR250 crores for the financial year FY ’25. Okay, this is for the financial year. Yeah. Full year.

Dipanjan Ghosh

Thank you and all the best.

Amit Jhingran

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Supratim Datta from Ambit Capital. Please go-ahead.

Supratim Datta

Thanks for the opportunity. My first question is I just wanted a clarification. When you are saying 13%, 14% growth, is that on total APE or individual APE alone? If you could clarify that? And then if I take that into consideration and take this 500 basis point product mix improvement that you’re talking about, it seems like back of the envelope math suggests that you’re still expecting around 8%, 9% kind of growth in the ULIPs front. In this quarter, you have seen a decline. So what gives you confidence that ULIP growth will come back next year given how our markets are?

And my second question is on the non-par side in FY ’23 as well when you had launched Smart Platina, we had seen a significant surge in non-par. And then it kind of fizzled out and the mix again went back to what it was prior to that product launch. So can you just help us understand why you think that this time it’s going to be different and this time the product mix shift is going to be more permanent as compared to what happened in FY ’23? Those are my two questions.

Sangramjit Sarangi

See, the first one is about the growth that is related to individual APE and that we are expected to grow between around 14%. And the product mix switch, which will happen, why we are confident is that we have already seen this during the last quarter, which is fourth quarter of FY ’25. And that precisely also shown a positive side of the agency because agency, which has been doing for the last 3 quarters, that is first 9 months, and they have shifted significantly towards the product mix, which is non-par protection, non-par Smart Platina, which is guaranteed as well as the par. That is a big boost to us that we are very optimistic that it will help us in the agency side. And with this product mix, the banca, as already said, the banca also is being moving towards that. So overall, we believe that, that will help us to achieve our product mix along with the growth.

Amit Jhingran

This product mix shift is not based on any single product like the last time. It is more broad-based. As I told in my opening remarks, we have launched 4 products, which cater to different market segments, including guaranteed returns and there are children plan also, and we are seeing good numbers across the products.

Supratim Datta

Got it. And I had another question on the agency bit, agency channel, when I compare the kind of commissions that you would be paying in the agency channel versus peers, it seems like not only are you more efficient on the banca channel, but your commission levels on the agency channel are also fairly lower as compared to peers. I understand there is a ULIP mix. You have a higher ULIP mix in the agency channel as well. But adjusting for that as well, it seems like your agency commission costs are significantly lower than peers. Could you help us understand what is really allowing you to operate at such a low commission? And why isn’t there a risk to it? Thank you.

Sangramjit Sarangi

So, what happens as agency, we have been consistent investors for many, many years and have had a steady focus on agency for last at least 15 years plus and never wavered even in 2012, ’13 when the whole agency was going down for the industry. So, to that extent, agents appreciate the steadfastness of SBI Life focus on agency in spite being a banca dominant insurance company. Second, we are present across all tiers of the market, not only in Tier 1 and in metros but also in smaller towns. So to that extent, our SBI brand plus the way we have managed agency has helped us keep agency cost in control for last many years. It’s not a new thing. This is a phenomenon which you would see for last 8, 10 years at least that the agency cost for SBI Life is significantly lower than the agency cost for anybody else in the industry.

Supratim Datta

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Okay. The next question is from the line of Swarnab Mukherjee from B&K Securities. Please go-ahead.

Swarnabha Mukherjee

Hi, sir. Thank you for the opportunity. I had two, three questions, specifically first one on the channel side. So I just wanted to understand that in terms of the cost structure and the margins in banca, just if you could highlight, say, between banca and agency, which one is margin accretive. And given that you have highlighted that agency would be growing faster than banca, this built in the mix, would there be any impact on margin when I think about FY ’26? This is the first question.

Second is in terms of the group protection side, so Credit Life and Group Term Life, as you have highlighted that both have done well. In Group Term Life also you have gotten some new mandates. Just wanted to understand that your peers have been highlighting that there is some pricing pressure in this part of the business. So I mean, how are the pricing that you are getting? And whether as a whole in terms of Group Term Life, for example, has the margin profile deteriorated in the last year compared to what it was previously? I understand that it is possibly a lower proportion of our mix than Credit Life, but just wanted to understand this part?

And lastly, the drop in ULIP this quarter that we are seeing, this degrowth, is this a conscious strategy or due to the lack of demand? Because particularly in agency, we see that there has been a sizable drop and you have highlighted that the focus was on the traditional side more. So just wanted to understand that part. And also how easy or difficult is it to reorient the product mix in the agency channel, particularly? These would be my questions.

Amit Jhingran

So if you talk of the cost structure in reply to the previous question, we said that we continue to have a low-cost structure even in the agency channel and the agency channel costs are lowest in the industry, the kind of commission we pay. Of course, the total cost structure, if you look at, then agency channel is slightly costly because of the physical infrastructure that we have to create and maintain by opening more number of branches. So that way, there is a slightly higher cost in agency channel compared to the banca channel. The cost of commission for both the channels is almost similar.

As far as drop in ULIPs in the last quarter, you are saying, for last one year, we have been trying to change this product mix, and we have been working. You have rightly identified that it is slightly difficult to change the orientation of the agents or the partners in selling the product mix. But these are efforts of one year, which have started fructifying this. Of course, this also might have helped by the volatility in the market. Demand might have gone down. But the good thing is that even in the current month, we are seeing the similar trend as of now in the first 22, 23 days of this month. So this is a conscious strategy also. You will see that we launched new products also during this period in the non-ULIP segment. So this has been in works, and we have been making efforts because this is margin accretive for the company and a good value proposition for the agents and partners also.

Sangramjit Sarangi

On the GTI, overall, if you see the group protection, the Credit Life has been good for us and which is very consistent. For the last 2 quarters, quarter 3 and quarter 4, we have been seeing good traction in the Credit Life. So we ended with around 12% growth in our Credit Life. And as far as the GTI is concerned, so it is doing good. And as a policy, we don’t get into the business where we have a negative VONB. And that has also grown this year around 5%. So our conscious call is that the negative VONB business, we generally avoid and we go for a good client, good business as far as the GTI is concerned. So overall, this portfolio has given a better result as compared to what others are doing.

Swarnabha Mukherjee

Understood, sir. Just a couple of follow-ups on this. So one is on the credit life side, sir, if you could highlight what would be your mix between different categories, say, home loans, personal loans, etcetera, which would be the more dominant because normally, we’re hearing that MFI part is under a bit of stress. So if you could provide your comments on that?

Sangramjit Sarangi

See, majorly, our credit life portfolio is from the home loan customers that we cover as far under the credit life portfolio.

Swarnabha Mukherjee

Okay, sir. Understood. Thank you so much and all the best.

Amit Jhingran

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Madhukar Ladha from Nuvama Wealth Management. Please go-ahead.

Madhukar Ladha

Hi, good evening. Congratulations on a great set of numbers. Just two quick questions. First, on individual protection, we’re seeing some weakness over there. So this year and we’ve seen a little bit of a decline in that part of the business. So can you help understand you know what is happening over there and while persistency has improved across most buckets, but in the 49 months, I think there is still some decline of there. So some understanding on that as well. Yeah. Thanks.

Amit Jhingran

See, as far as the protection on the individual side is concerned, we have started seeing good numbers in the last quarter because we have launched some new products in the last 6 months, and we just started now seeing the traction. So, we are very optimistic that this will give us a good number in the FY ’26. As far as this persistency is concerned, the 49th-month persistency is generally call it as a COVID cohort. So there, we have seen some of the geographies where the persistency is getting hit. And this is also we have taken a lot of measures, and we have got some positive result on that. So we have launched revival campaigns, and we have got actually control of this particular situation. And we don’t see much dent on this going forward. But overall experience is good for us as far as the persistency across cohorts are concerned.

Madhukar Ladha

Right. And just on this 49-month, you said…

Operator

Sorry to interrupt, Mr. Madhukar, I would request you to please come back in the queue for further questions. The next question is from the line of Sanketh Godha from Avendus Spark. Please go-ahead.

Sanketh Godha

Yeah, thank you for the opportunity. Sir, you told in the call that your contribution of pure term has improved in the entire protection and that is probably one of the reasons your term protection has slowed down a bit. So just wanted to know what is the mix between ROP and pure term and how much delta contributed to the margin? And second thing is that you also alluded to the point that you’re trying to attach more riders. So, I just wanted to understand in the total savings business, how much business has a rider attachment or has a sum assured which is more than INR10 lakhs?

Sangramjit Sarangi

No, so rider attachment for ULIP policies came only in late quarter 4. So you would see some impact on that. On traditional policies, it came a little earlier. So there is impact of that. And yes, pure protection proportion has improved this year, both on high term INR2 crore plus product that we have launched also on the eShield Insta that is available on ULIP.

Sanketh Godha

So can you quantify the number?

Amit Jhingran

Yeah, just to give you the proportion of the business has tilted from 90-10 to 80-20, so which is a very positive for us.

Sanketh Godha

80 is ROP and 20 is pure term, right, sir?

Amit Jhingran

Yes. Yes.

Sanketh Godha

Okay. Okay, okay. That’s it. Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from the line of Aditi Joshi from JPMorgan. Please go-ahead.

Aditi Joshi

Yeah, good evening. Thanks for taking my question. Just one question from my side. And this is with respect to the solvency ratio. So quarter-on-quarter, we have seen some 8 percentage point decline in the solvency ratio, whereas at the same time, look at the interest rate, those have gone down, so you could have some gains on the bond valuation. And equity markets were also broadly flat quarter-on-quarter basis. So I’m just wondering apart from the macro being either flat or favorable, what actually caused to that decline? Thank you.

Abhijit Gulanikar

So first thing we value the assets for solvency purpose, asset is not valued at market value, asset is valued at book value. So with the market movement, be equity, there’s no impact on the asset side. If you see the fall on this solvency is business as usual. So we make the dividend pay-outs. So that has some dent coming on that basis. Subsequently, this quarter, we have retained protection and non-par and solvency requirement in the protection and non-par is higher than unit-linked product. That’s the reason required solvency margin has gone up. And as a result, you might see some fall in solvency margin. But still, if you see compared with the last year to this year, last March to this March, it is stable at the same level.

Aditi Joshi

Okay, that’s clear. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Mohit Mangal from Centrum. Please go-ahead.

Mohit Mangal

Yeah. Thanks and thanks for taking my question. Just one question. Non SBI banca partners. I just wanted to know how much of this 14,000 branches are actually actively selling our products? What products they sell? What are the growth rates? If you can give some color, that would be helpful.

Amit Jhingran

Yeah, across our branches of 14,000 in SBI. So they — so non-bank partner, the experience is different from partner to partner. We — obviously the activation road ratios are much lesser than activation ratio that we see in SBI. But the endeavor is to see that in every branch, we are able to sell at least few products. But as of now, that is not the situation.

Mohit Mangal

Okay, but what products they mostly sell, the growth rates, anything that you can do?

Sangramjit Sarangi

So broadly speaking, 30% of the product portfolio is yield, 70% is non-yield as far as non-SBI banks are concerned.

Mohit Mangal

All right, okay. That’s useful. Thank you so much and wish you all the best.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Neeraj Toshniwal from UBS Securities. Please go-ahead.

Neeraj Toshniwal

Hi, sir. Congrats on the good set. Just wanted to understand on the guidance, given we have a higher base in agency and a lower base in banca, we are guiding on a kind of still lower growth from the banca and higher from agency. How confident we’ll be making 25% growth on a high base in agency and is the 10% new normal, which will kind of remain or we can see improvement maybe going ahead?

Amit Jhingran

See, as far as agency growth is concerned, we are very, very clear about the trajectory which we are focusing for SBI Life as far as our next 2 to 3 years are concerned. This year, we have delivered with a base of 17% growth in FY ’24. Now we have delivered 23%. And the kind of investments as we have been making in the agency channel and which is very consistent and our productivity per agent is also quite encouraging. And our number of addition of agents are also quite good. We are expanding our reach across Tier 2, Tier 3 cities also through our branch. Last year, we opened 70 branches. This year, we are planning to open around another 87 branches. So all taken into account, we are very confident and optimistic that the agency can grow around this rate. As far as banca is concerned, I think that, as already said, we are in the range of around 9%, 10%, which we are aspiring for the banca channel to grow. So overall, taken into account, it will be approximately around 14%, 15% growth, which we are looking for FY ’26.

Neeraj Toshniwal

Got it. And sir, the VNB margin bit as somebody also asked, given the mix is kind of improving, why are we guiding for a higher faster growth in VNB compared to what we are guiding currently?

Sangramjit Sarangi

There are 2 aspects to look at it. One is that is growth, then corresponding to that, the product mix. But at the same time, we are also, as I said earlier, we are expanding our reach through opening of branches. We are putting a lot of investment in our infrastructure. That is like our IT cost plus our number of employees. We have already crossed 26,000 employees. And this year also, we are going to add another 1,500 employees. So if you see all together, there will be a contrast from the product mix growth vis-a-vis the expense. So in that, the situation, the range which we are guiding is around 28%, which is, I think, quite good as far as the current product mix, which we are proposing for FY ’26.

Amit Jhingran

And also, as I said, some of the mix is going through ULIP to par. And not everything is going to non-par.

Operator

The next question is from the line of Shobhit Sharma from HDFC Securities. Please go-ahead.

Shobhit Sharma

Yeah. Thank you for taking my question. Am I audible?

Amit Jhingran

Hi, yeah.

Shobhit Sharma

Yeah. Sir, my first question is on your product mix. You said you want to continue increasing the non-par saving mix. So as we are entering — we are in the middle of the rate cut cycle and due to the rate cuts, the product offering becomes less lucrative. So how will we ensure that the product mix stay at the top of what we are expecting? And secondly, what would be the impact of margins due to the rate cuts as we may not be able to pass the — pass-on that rate cut towards the end-customers?

Secondly, there have been a significant reversal in the rewards section if we look at in the commission cost, we have seen similar trend in the last year Q4. So is there something else we have to read into that because the product mix in both the quarters have traded towards the traditional products? These are my two questions,

Abhijit Gulanikar

See, on non-par product perspective, as question, we’re looking to first thing that we are looking to increase the mix of the non-par, including protection. So it’s not only our non-par saving, is non-par and protection and annuity as well. So all together clubbing a bucket, we think improvement will happen on side. So, this is the part. As far as rate cut is concerned, as we keep mentioning that we keep doing the active pricing both annuity and non-par guarantee product. And interest rate as much possible, we try to pass on to as quickly as possible, pass on to the customer. So from that perspective, rate cut will not have any adverse impact to our margin as per non-par saving is concerned.

Now reflecting into rate cut will have less attractive, slightly passive but at the same time, we have to look into other financial instrument available in the market, be in the fixed deposit other part. And you might notice the equity market is also slightly volatile. So that will also make this non-par product more attractive. Most important point that I would like to mention here in non-par saving is as a company, we are giving non-par saving, people give a guarantee. So even slightly lower guarantee, but longer-term guarantee continue to be attractive. And hence, we expect that we’re able to drive this product mix that we are aiming for.

Shobhit Sharma

And just a small follow-up on this. So what’s the IRR rate at which we are operating at currently?

Abhijit Gulanikar

Yeah, that’s from product-to-product to product is a different type of products you.

Sangramjit Sarangi

The second one, I think you were referring about the expense provision. So that is generally part and parcel of our overall mix and the partners. So we generally do that. And by end-of-the year, whatever is not done, we reverse that.

Shobhit Sharma

Okay, sir. Thank you and all the best.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Madhukar Ladha from Nuvama Wealth Management. Please go-ahead.

Madhukar Ladha

Hi, thank you for taking my question again. So in the notes to accounts, it’s also mentioned that there is a change in expense allocation methodology, which has resulted in about a INR48 crores increase in policy liabilities and I mean, is that sort of set-off against the assumption change that you made? And can you explain what this is regarding? And second question on, what you mentioned about the COVID cohort, I wanted to just know is that any particular type of policy any specific product because of which this is what we’ve been observing yeah or is it just because that time-frame? Thanks.

Sangramjit Sarangi

Regarding persistency, its across cohort and it is also similar for all the channels, including agency as well as other banca partners and banca. So we don’t have any differential experience we have seen in this particular cohort. And as far as the expense allocation methodology, which we have changed, this is basically we do once in 3 years to 5 years as far as our expense methodology assumption change based on the feedback experiences and with the guidance. That is what we have done. In fact, we have done it in the month of second quarter itself and this is just a disclosure. So, there is not much on this, it is just a change between the existing assumption to new assumption. So whatever has the change, we have disclosed that.

Abhijit Gulanikar

Just to supplement on this side, we do this time motion study, things, time to refine these things. And you see the year-on-year, the time is spent and time, motion, there was some refinement happened. So we just incorporate those refinements in our expense allocation policy. And as a result, there is some expenses shift happen from the different LOB. And when we also look into this each year, we look into our split of expenses, both in acquisition and maintenance perspective and really reflect in our calculation of VONB. So there is a slight movement happened from unit-linked to non-par. And that resulted to slightly increase in non-par unit expense in the future. And that’s a result, you see some increase in liability coming from in non-par segment.

Madhukar Ladha

So sir, just a follow-up. When you had an increase in policyholders’ liability, that would mean that this is an adverse variance?

Abhijit Gulanikar

No, no. It’s not variance in perspective because we already explained that if you look at the operating profit, we see there is expense profit coming from. So if there is an expense profit coming from, there is a positive variance, that’s not adverse. What we said just realignment to reflect the current time, motion activity and that’s reflected in the unit cost and that’s why we incorporated in a very scientific way we do and that’s reflected in our increase in liability in that perspective. There’s no additional provisions that have been made that you might be referring to.

Madhukar Ladha

Understood. Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that was the last question for today’s conference call. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Amit for closing comments.

Amit Jhingran

Thank you very much everybody for your time and queries. You may get in touch with our Investor Relations team in case you have any follow-up questions at any point of time.

Thanks and regards.

Operator

[Operator Closing Remarks]

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