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Refex Industries Limited (NSE: REFEX) Q3 2026 Earnings Call dated Jan. 21, 2026
Corporate Participants:
Anil Jain — Chairman and Managing Director
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal — Whole-time Director & Chief Financial Officer
Vivek Joshi — Individual Investor
Mithin Shah — Individual Investor
Srijan Kaushik — Individual Investor
Rahul Bafna — Student
Analysts:
Kadaru Sahid — Analyst
Ananya Khanna — Analyst
Smith Jain — Analyst
Aniket Madhvani — Analyst
Rahel S — Analyst
Presentation:
Operator
Ladies and Gentlemen, good day and welcome to Reflex Industries Limited Q3FY 2026 earnings conference call. Please note all participant lines will be in the listen only mode and this conference is being recorded. We have with us today from the management team Mr. Anil Jain, Chairman and MD. We will begin the call with opening remarks from the management team and post that we will open the floor for questions. With that I hand over the call to Mr. Anil Jain, Chairman and MT over to you sir.
Anil Jain — Chairman and Managing Director
Thank you so much. Good evening everyone and thank you so much for joining us. It’s been a great Q3 for us. Q3 FY26 marked a very strong sequential recovery for effects led by a very significant improvement in activity levels across our ash and coal handling business as site accessibility and ground condition normalized following the extended monsoon impact during the first half of the year on a quarter on quarter basis, revenue increased by 160 crores rising from INR 123 crores in Q2 to 583 crores in QT Q3 representing a 38% sequential growth.
This improvement was driven primarily by higher ash and coal volumes handled during the quarter. Total income for the quarter stood at rupees 590 crores compared to 431 crores in Q2 while cost of goods sold increased from 79% to 81%. This was largely due to a change in margin mix with no major operational deviation during the period. Despite this, operating performance improved meaningfully. Despite this, the operating performance improved meaningfully. Profit before tax increased to rupees 89 crores compared to rupees 71 crores in Q2 reflecting a 24 sequential growth while profit after tax rose to 67 crores up 29% quarter on quarter.
In order to achieve stronger return profiles by redeploying capital and focus towards core businesses, the management has taken a strategic call to exit power trading and refrigerant gas business. Our mobility business continues to strengthen its operational foundation with teams actively engaging enterprise clients and working towards calibrated fleet expansion with a clear focus on utilization and unit economics. The demerger of Griffix Green Mobility Limited is progressing as per the approved composite scheme following which the mobility business will operate as a separate entity with enhanced strategic and financial flexibility.
The wind business continues to progress steadily with execution of initial customer orders underway while internal capabilities are being strengthened to support future scale. The business has already secured a cumulative order of 1860 crores. Looking ahead with multiple new ash projects commencing, the site activity stabilizing across regions. We expect operational momentum to continue the coming quarters. There is already an open order of close to about 1500 crores for the ash and coal handling business that the team is currently executing.
While it continues to engage with large power plants to win newer contracts, Reflex remains well positioned, supported by a strong order book, disciplined execution and a prudent capital allocation. We thank all of you for all the support and trust in us. Thank you so much. Over to you.
Operator
So maybe begin with the question and answer session now?
Kadaru Sahid — Analyst
Yes, we can.
Questions and Answers:
Operator
Thank you very much, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin with the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may click on the raise hand icon from the participant tab on your screen. We request participants to restrict to two questions and then return to the queue for more questions. To rejoin the queue, you may click raise hand icon again. We will wait for a few minutes until the question queue assembles. We’ll take our first question from Ms. Ananya Khanna of Alpha Alternatives.
Please go ahead with your question.
Ananya Khanna
Yeah. Hello. First of all, congratulations on a good set of numbers. I wish to understand the timeline of the demerger scheme, how long it’s expected to take and the expected synergies from the same.
Anil Jain
On the demerger. I think we currently are waiting for some final NOCs from the lenders as soon as it comes. The scheme is ready to be filed and we are trying our best to ensure that this can happen as soon as possible. Once it is demerged, the Reflex Mobility will run as a separate entity where it will have more liberty to do its own business. And also it will have its own. All the debt etc will also move to that entity.
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
Timeline. Mr. Anil. That it will. We expect by April end it should get finished.
Ananya Khanna
All right, thank you.
Anil Jain
Next question.
Operator
Thank you so much. Our next question is coming in from the line of Smith Jain of Flawless Family Office.
Smith Jain
Please go
Operator
Ahead with your question.
Smith Jain
Can you hear me? Hello.
Operator
Yes,
Smith Jain
I had a couple of questions. One is I can see that we’ve started a new subsidiary, Reflex Engineering Products Private Limited. What exactly is this for?
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
Yeah, that is below the. That is below the windwind. To do that is again for the wind project only. There is no specific. This is all targeting the retail customer in the same wind segment.
Smith Jain
Okay. All right, thank you. The second question was related to the wind energy segment only. Even the larger companies that I can. That I know of are currently working on 3.3 and 4.2 megawatt wind turbines. Right. And we are. We’ve come up with 5.2. And what they’ve said is that the size of 5.2 wind turbines is very difficult to transport. And again, it is also that the wind flow is not the same all across. So 5.2 is not a proven technology in India yet. So why exactly are we wanting to be the pioneers and not work on something which is already proven and is working?
Anil Jain
So just to answer the question, Smith, I think first of all, logistics wise we don’t see any major challenge in moving of these turbines. We have spoken to all the large logistics companies in the country where we are executing close to about 400 megawatts of water in the next few months. All these logistics companies have confirmed that they can transport and move these equipments from the plant to these sites. Second. Yes, just to give you a little, little color on the global market, if you take today the average size of the wind turbine, globally it has reached almost 5 megawatts.
So countries, various countries, even with low wind speed are actually moving to 6, 8, 10, 12, 15 megawatt wind turbine sizes. Also this, these machines are at 130 meter hub height where actually the wind velocity is reasonably better. If you look at a apple to apple comparison of a per megawatt kilowatt hour generation between a 2.5 megawatt or 3.2 megawatt in one location to 5.3, this will definitely give you more than 3% to 3 and a half percent of additional generation. Second, all our machines contain LiDAR which actually detects the direction of the wind.
So when you see the nasal and the, the blades etc, it actually moves in the direction on which the wind is blowing. Which is the first time in the, in the country where the, these, these blades can move and can identify where which direction the wind is blowing and can turn to that direction so that they get adequate wind to rotate and generate energy. So I think these technologies are definitely proven around the world. And the orders we have got are from the likes of Jindal Steel Torrent and KP Green who are all very large IPP companies and have done their detailed research and understood these products before even placing the orders.
Smith Jain
Fair enough. Okay, so what we’re saying is we don’t see any problem in getting the right of way to transport these machines and the technology. Although it’s proven all across, you see that the unit economics would work in India also for the same.
Vivek Joshi
Yes,
Smith Jain
Fair enough. Thank you. And fall back in the queue. Thanks.
Operator
Thank you so much. We’ll take our next question from the line of Smith. Sorry, that is from the line of Mithin Shah, he is an individual investor. Please go ahead with your question.
Mithin Shah
Yeah. Am I audible?
Operator
Yes please.
Mithin Shah
Yeah. Thank you for giving opportunity. So first question, what I would like to ask is what is the update on the income tax rate? You know what we’ve seen in the disclosure as well as in the media and any impact regarding the same.
Anil Jain
Thank you Mitin for asking this question. Yes, we had an income tax search on 9th of December in our office premises and in the office premises and house of 30, my house and the senior executive. As such there is no incriminating documents, evidence or documents or anything seized or taken by income tax department. We, we do see that there is a process by which they have an investigation and they will be filing their reports with the central circle where the assessment will be done. We don’t see any impact on the company or the business.
The company has been having the highest governance as far as business and everything else is concerned. There was a fake news which was in the press, one of the large newspaper carried. We have written to those newspapers and also written to the income tax department about these fake news and to clarify that this news is not officially released by income tax. We had also filed these documents with the SEBI and sometime back as soon as the search got over the it was search was ended very peacefully and we don’t see any thing impacting the business or long term growth of the company.
Mithin Shah
Sure. So you mean to say we have still yet to receive a formal conclusion from the IT department, am I right?
Anil Jain
Yes, generally, yeah. Generally it takes three to six months for them to file the report with central circle and the assessment order generally takes one or two years to be issued to us.
Mithin Shah
Sure. So the second question would be like, okay, it is good to see an increase or uptake in the business with respect to previous quarter as we come up from the mansion period. But however if we compare our numbers with respect to the same quarter last year we see a dip in the numbers basically. You know, so. So is there any specific, I mean what would be the reason for that? I mean
Anil Jain
Like we discussed we have been discontinuing businesses which are very low margin or negative margin like refrigerant gas business and the power trading business which actually contributed to close to 150200 crores last year in the same quarter. And also if you see, while we were discussing that most of the focus is going to be on high margin ash moving business management business rather than any trading business which we were carrying on earlier. So as a as A conscious decision. We have ensured that while the revenues might not grow quarter on quarter to the same as last year but the profitability will be much larger and bigger and better than the last year even with lower revenues.
Mithin Shah
Yeah, I can understand the reason for the discontinued operation. I’m even comparing for the ash handling sector. Ash and coal handling sector as well. You know, even segment wise, if you see, you know it has dipped quite 10 to 15%. Yeah,
Anil Jain
That’s what I said. There are two reasons. One is obviously during H1 we had an extended monsoon which actually did give a little bit of delay in starting some of the work. Second, on the cold trading front also we have reduced the trading to a drastic extent to ensure that this low margin trading business is out of is not contributing to a larger revenue or profitability.
Mithin Shah
Understand? I have more questions but I’ll join the queue again. Thanks. Thanks a lot so much.
Operator
Thank you so much. Our next question is coming in from the line of Aniket Madhwani of Step Trade Capital. Please go ahead.
Aniket Madhvani
Yeah, hello. Am I audible?
Operator
Yes please.
Aniket Madhvani
Yeah, so my question was regarding the wind revenue. So in last on Congo you guided that wind revenue would start from Q3 or Q4 and will expect to contribute in FY26. So any revenue executed in this quarter from mainland.
Anil Jain
Last quarter we did not achieve any revenue. But yes, this quarter has committed this year and we will end with substantial revenue from the wind business.
Aniket Madhvani
Okay, so can I have a breakup of the revenue in this quarter?
Anil Jain
Obviously we don’t want to give a leading statement. Most of the contracts which we have have to be executed between nine months to 15 months. So hopefully the first contract, the execution will start in the next few days. It’s already in the progress so it should start in next few days.
Aniket Madhvani
Okay. And my. So second question was regarding the order book. So am I right? You have mentioned 1500 order book currently. Outstanding
Anil Jain
For wind or for. No,
Aniket Madhvani
Overall.
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
1500 crore order book is an ice and coal handling segment. And 1850 crore is there in the wind supply.
Aniket Madhvani
Thousand eight
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
Hundred fifty. To be precise it is eight hundred sixty.
Aniket Madhvani
Sorry, could you please repeat for wind segment
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
1860 crore.
Aniket Madhvani
Okay, got you. Thank you.
Operator
Thank you so much. We will take our next question from the line of Vivek Joshi who is an individual investor. Please go ahead with your question. Yes, please go ahead.
Vivek Joshi
Yeah, I have two questions. One is what is the status update on the merger plan?
Anil Jain
We just updated that to the previous caller that it is in progress and we are expecting the NCLT order. The merger completion by maybe end of April.
Vivek Joshi
Okay, end of April. And roughly what will be the division of the assets within this like companies? IT
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
Is a 100 subsidiary and refix industry doesn’t own any assets of the Refix Green Mobility. So it is a 100 subsidiary and it will be a parallel separate listing completely.
Vivek Joshi
Okay. But since it’s consolidated, what side what percentage of the assets are in sits in this. Just to get an idea from the balance sheet because right now we just. See the consolidated numbers.
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
220 crore.
Vivek Joshi
Okay. So from the the net assets 220. Crores get transferred to Mobility, right?
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
Yes.
Vivek Joshi
Okay, thanks. And could you also update the recent pledging of shares by the promoters? Any particular reason for the same.
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
No, we have. I mean we have done three months back. That is a. That is a borrowing at the holding company level.
Vivek Joshi
Oh, thank you so much. All the best. Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. We’ll take our next question as a follow up question from Smith Jain. Please go ahead with your question. Yes.
Smith Jain
Hi. Thanks. This is again regarding the pledge that we’ve done with the current fall in the share price. Do like will we have to double down on the existing pledge that we’ve given? Because I’m sure we’ll have to service the difference also. Right. Like how much we’ve borrowed and the collateral that we’ve given.
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
Yeah. Company has taken a steps prepaid. You are right. The margin call came and we have paid from the own source and we have securitized the lender.
Smith Jain
Okay, fair enough. The second thing was in the presentation I can see that we’ve given the TAM for the ash handling business to be 68,000 crores. So is that opportunity available per year or is that the current. Is that the total market size that is available and only a part of it can be realized each year?
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
Can you, can you tell me, I. Mean can you
Smith Jain
Tell the page number?
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
No, no question. Can you again repeat the question?
Smith Jain
So I was saying that in the presentation we’ve given the total available market size for the ash handling business to be 68,000 crores. So I wanted to understand, is that the opportunity available each year like 68,000 crore is the market size available each year or is that the total available market size at this point in time and only a certain part of it can be realized by any of the company each year. How does it work?
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
We have to divide this market opportunity into two segments. One every year which gets accumulated is what is generated in the particular, particular financial year. Every year 340 million of ash get Generated.
Smith Jain
Correct.
Vivek Joshi
And there is a. And that is, that is a different. That is another 10,000 crore market every year.
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
And there is a 50,000, 50, 55,000 crore of the legacy as which is accumulated and available in the pond of the various power plant.
Operator
So
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
That 55,000 crore of market will every year it will keep. I mean it will reduce and also increase because all the power plant are not able to dispose of 100 of the ash which is generated every year. 340 million metric tons of ash. And I mean it will be a 67,000 crore. You can divide like 10 to 15,000 crore is the market every year is there out of 50,000 crore. Some will reduce, some will increase. Keep on increasing this market size. To my knowledge at any point of time 50,000 crore market will be there for next 10 years.
Smith Jain
Okay so 15,000 is the incremental value which is going to increase each year and will be available with companies, you know to book. And like the 55,000 is a legacy which will keep getting amortized and like there would be additions to it also as the
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
Entire,
Smith Jain
You know reserve is increasing.
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
Yes.
Smith Jain
Okay. And how do we see this business evolving for us? Like is this going to be like a you know a strong business area, focus area for us for the next few years and how do we see us growing in this segment?
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
Yeah. Government of India again I mean after a few years again they are pushing the thermal power plant. 50 gigawatt capacity has been targeted in next five to seven years. Correct. And again everybody, all top CPSUs are setting up and including Pupa private company like Adani jsw they’re all setting up the new power plant. And another big opportunity is measure it with the power plant where in NCLT where that is getting resolved. And capacity addition is also happening in the existing power plant where 10 years back they.
They’ve done like capacity. They took a permission of 3600 megawatt but they have commissioned only 1800. That 1800 has never seen the days. Now that 1800 megawatt new company, new group which has taken over are adding to the capacity. It will close to 40 to 50 megawatt will get added in though government target is 5 to 6 year. I see, I see another 10 years this will get added it. I mean it may not happen in five years but it will happen in next 10 years. New capacity will get added. That again that is a additional opportunity for all of us.
And I mean coal is going to stay, coal power plant is going to stay for next 20 to 30 years. Though renewable portfolio also will increase
Smith Jain
But
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
Coal power it is not will get completely.
Smith Jain
Okay, thank you so much. Thanks. I’ll fall back in the queue.
Operator
Thank you so much. We’ll take our next question from the line of Gaurav Jain of hni. Please unmute yourself. Yes, please go ahead with your question, Mr. Jain. It seems we don’t have a response from that line. We’ll move to our next participant, Mr. Kadaru Sahid of Kadaru Securities. Please go ahead with your question.
Kadaru Sahid
Hello.
Operator
Yes.
Kadaru Sahid
Yes. For Q3 FY26 we have seen the EBITDA margin as 16.1%. And in last quarter as well we have seen it as 17.42%. So can we expect this as a sustainable one or is it a one off thing like in last year as the same quarter we have got it as 7.52%.
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
Yeah. This will continue. I mean this will be anywhere between, as I said in my last quarter call, it will be between 11 to 12%. 12% is a sustainable one. I mean this is due to a lot of realignment. This will be there though. Our target is to do a better for year on year. I mean quarter on quarter. But we can safely assume 12, 11 to 12% will be the number. We will keep continuing.
Kadaru Sahid
Okay, thanks.
Operator
Thank you so much. We have a follow up question coming in from Ananya Khanna. Please go ahead.
Ananya Khanna
Yeah, so I wish to understand two things. First of all, can you explain to me how exactly your multiyear tie ups work with companies that you cater to in the ash handling and coal handling segment in the sense that what are the contractual, what are the terms of the contract, what is it in your of the contract and how does it exactly work? Is there some sort of a bidding involved, etc. Etc. Secondly, I want to understand what’s your outlook on the mobility segment with respect to say the model that you currently follow.
Do you expect the demand aggregator and rail, the ride hailing part of the segment to grow by any chance?
Anil Jain
I’ll answer that, Ananya. On the mobility business, I think we can talk about our business. We are a pure B2B business where we do employee transportation and rent a car service. So both these businesses are growing very fast in the country and we don’t see any any chance of this, the demand reducing because mobility is something which is growing continuously. We don’t have any inputs on the ride dealing apps or the business. What is happening around on the second part? I think Dinesh can take up the question obviously.
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
Yeah, Ash business completely as in coal business completely through a bidding process only and contract period is anywhere between five months to three years. The majority of the 1500 crore of contract will get executed over next nine months to 12 months. I mean majority. I mean it’s like 50% will get executed in next four to five months 50% in the 12 months and around 30% of 1500 crore is over a period of three years. We are. We are now tying off for the long term contract and bidding for the long term contract working with many private plant and the government plant to I mean work on a comprehensive ass management where we take a take complete windm of the ass handling plant.
We also do certain capex so that we tie off anywhere between three to 10 years with the power plant and handle the complete comprehensive ash management handling the ash taking care of the O and M of the ash and link plant and also setting up the I’m taking care of their silos area. So we also depute people there so that we. We become a solutions provider to this power plants and we are working towards that three to 10 years of the signing for the three to 10 years for the contract.
Ananya Khanna
All right. So understood. So you do an end to end. You provide end to end solutions to your customers in the ash handling segment right?
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
Yes, that is that not as of now we are handling one part of is handling few contract which we have signed is a end to end. Our target is all new customer. We are targeting for the end to end solutions so that we sign any all contract for a long term contract like 3 to 10 years contract.
Ananya Khanna
All right, understood. Thank you.
Operator
Thank you so much. We have a follow up question coming in from Aniket Madhavani. Please go ahead with your question now.
Aniket Madhvani
Yeah hi. So just. I just want to know about the current daily handling capacity as you mentioned previously that you are ramping up towards 90,000 per day. So I just want to know the current daily handling capacity.
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
Yeah capacity is there is no constraint on handling any capacity because it is very. I mean very. I mean we have kept a bench of setup a team where we keep adding it to that bench and as of now on a daily basis we are handling close to 72,000 tons of the ash and we are ramping up this quarter will cross 90,000 and capacity we can handle more than 1 lakh tons also capacity there is no constraint because it is only increasing the manpower there, trained manpower there and also putting additional fleet there where we work anyway fleet we work on a hybrid model of own and the attach that Is hiring model.
That challenge is not there in the increasing the capacity.
Aniket Madhvani
Got it, got it, got it. And as you mentioned the VWIN will be contributing significantly in this quarter coming quarter. So could you just give insight. I mean what. What are you expecting to close in FY26 on an aggregate level?
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
See as a policy we are not doing a. I mean leading number but to tell you when will be a crown in the jewel it will be. It is really doing well. We have signed with a top notch company in India. Top IPP player in India. We are well progressing towards the. We are meeting the timeline what is committed to all the customers Delivery starting from February 15th onward. Part of the delivery will happen in March, within the March and again it will keep keep adding because from now it is a continuous delivery will happen initial period of from the order date till now.
Engineering happens. There is a lot of other other work happens on the ground a delivery getting started. From now every every month from February onward we have a delivery city. It will contribute significantly to the refex group. I mean we, we expect wind business will be a crown individuals for the refx industry.
Aniket Madhvani
Got it, got it. And what margins are we expecting in that segment?
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
Yeah, I mean it will be, will be. I mean will be like other competitor what they are reporting initially we have, we’re setting off. We’re working at a very very competitive price to win the order but we’ll be making a very decent profit in the wind sector.
Aniket Madhvani
Thank you. That’s all.
Operator
Thank you so much. We have another follow up question coming in from the individual investor Mithin Shah. Mr. Shah, please go ahead.
Mithin Shah
Yeah. Thank you for giving opportunity again. So correct me you know if we would see the TAM of the ash and coal hunting business as we also discussed last time that you know presently we, we I think we are handling about not even 1% or around 1% of the total TAM. Basically we are serving so we not even scratch the surface in that context. How have we grown you know in terms of you know handling this metric in terms of cagr and could you please also elaborate on the realization per metric ton as I see it is a roughly around 400 rupees per metric ton.
How has this also panned out in over the years? What was it earlier and how is it now and what do we expect going ahead?
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
We are growing at 48% CHR in quantity and average rate is anywhere between 555 to 700 rupees. And I mean it will keep growing at this speed because market as you rightly said time is very, very large. It is only tapping projects are available. We are choosing at what margin we need to do the business and we are not taking all the projects as it comes. We are very very particular about the quality of the works. And also our margin will be keep. We’ll keep growing at this speed. I mean past also we have grown from a 6 million tons to 10 million tons this year also it will be like 50% jump in the quantity will be keep growing because market size is very very high.
It is not about 50% growth. It is market is huge. And we are expanding our team and the fleet rapidly into the market and the states. Few of the states we are again adding our team where our presence was not there. We have entered during last quarter. We are entering another new states in this quarter. It will keep growing. The speed of growth will keep continuing from. I mean what is there in the past. It will keep growing in the coming quarters.
Mithin Shah
Yeah, yeah, so I understood, you know, there is no constraint on increasing the capacity as I understood from this con call. But how about the realization like. Like you said 550 to 700 is there also do we also see an uptrend in the realization per se.
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
That is few of the cases, few of the states realization has gone down due to insane bidding which are. That are the project we have knowingly left it. But few of the states realization start improving because people who have local player who have taken the taken the order has not executed because it was not viable to execute. And few of the places realizations improves where the distance is long. So that new project we have whatever the new project we have own and declared to the stock exchange disclosed to the stock exchange.
All are long distance and better realization.
Mithin Shah
Got it Correct. And just one request, you know, we would appreciate you know. You know if the con call is conducted say at least next day post the results. Because you know we see the presentation and the media release from the company as a disclosure as well as the results, you know. So if you can just give us at least half a day or day, you know, for us to go through it and then you know, so that we can we at least we are in a good mood to. To ask some better questions, you know, to the management and to understand more the company.
It’s a. It’s a gen request
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
Not if noted your feedback and we’ll keep in mind. Thank you for us to prepare so much in the same day board meeting having a. So yeah,
Mithin Shah
You guys also very occupied morning
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
8:30. We are all preparing for all this. Thanks.
Mithin Shah
Yeah, thanks. I again I have more questions but I’ll stand in queue. Thanks a lot.
Operator
Thank you so much. We’ll take our next question from Vivek Joshi, the indigenous investor. Please go ahead.
Vivek Joshi
Yeah, my question was if you take a like a slightly longer term view. Three, five years. So do you have some idea of what percentage of your business will be from Ash Coal and Green Mobility? Just to get an idea of how the the company is thinking.
Anil Jain
Like Green Mobility will be demerged. So it will be a separate entity, especially in a standalone basis. On a standalone basis Defects industries will have 100% business, maybe 95% business from ash and coal handling only
Vivek Joshi
And like. 5% from wind, right? No,
Anil Jain
No, you’re talking about Consolidated. Consolidated. I mean obviously we, we, we, we don’t have such a long projections to make over here. But substantial business will be between Ash and Coal and Wind Mobility will again get demos. So it will be a separate entity and there won’t be any consolidation.
Vivek Joshi
Okay, thank you so much.
Operator
Thank you so much. We’ll take our next question from Srijan Kaushik, the individual investor. Mr. Kaushik, please go ahead with your question.
Srijan Kaushik
Hello. Am I audible?
Operator
Yes, please.
Srijan Kaushik
Yeah. My question is regarding the recent pledge of equity shares with this Catalyst Trusteeship limited. So what’s the reasoning behind the same. And moreover. This. What are the percentage of shares that are being placed right now and are there any plans for the reduction of this place shares?
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
See this Catalyst place was related to a borrowing at a Holdco level and there is a plan next, over a period of next six months, substantial plays will get reduced. As of now close to 25, 26% of the promoter holding has been placed and this will get substantially reduced over a period every month there is a plan. It will get reduced over a period of next six months. Substantial reductions will happen.
Aniket Madhvani
Okay. Okay. Thank you.
Operator
Thank you so much. We have a follow up question coming in from Smith Jain. Mr. Jain, please go ahead.
Smith Jain
Yes. Do we have to give any performance guarantees on the wind turbines that we supply and or do we take any execution risk also?
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
We don’t take any executions on our head. It is a pure play supply of wind turbine. Pure play. It is purely we supply. There is a advanced bank guarantee to be given for the supply and that PBG to be given and that PBG comes back once we supply the supply the turbines.
Smith Jain
Not
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
Any PC work or installations work for any of the project
Smith Jain
India.
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
Can
Anil Jain
You repeat that?
Smith Jain
No performance guarantee is also given. Right. Just to Probably Understand
Anil Jain
On, on the. Machines we have a performance guarantee on the machines performance only, not on the generation of kilowatt hour etc. We don’t give any unit wise guarantees for generation because that’s all dependent on the wind velocity and the other maintenance etc. Wherever we are doing the onm, the machines performance, any spares etc, there’s a warranty on the machine which we give for 12 months and beyond that five years as a performance of the equipment. Upkeeper. Uptime of the equipment is what we give them.
Smith Jain
Straightforward how it is similar to you know, buying an electronic appliance. Exactly, exactly.
Anil Jain
Like buying a fridge or refrigerator or something.
Smith Jain
Correct. Okay. And like is the risk reward justified? Because I’m assuming it is a competitive market. The margins that we’re making is, I mean I would say is fairly low. And if suppose there’s any default in the machines working the payment outflow that would have to be paid like would be a certain amount and like would be a higher amount. So is the risk reward justified at this point? Do we see our machines performing well? Definitely.
Anil Jain
Machines will have to perform very well. I mean that’s what we are trying to portray. And as a company we want to ensure that the quality is at the is the topmost priority for these machines. And on the performance side, definitely these are all proven machine where the technology is again from a German technology and globally close to about 20 gigahertz of these machines from a Chinese manufacturer is operating. So we don’t see any major failure. We don’t see any failure at all as far as equipment is concerned.
Smith Jain
Okay, fair enough. Thank you. Thanks.
Operator
Thank you so much. Our next question is coming in from the line of Rahul Bafna who is a student. Please go ahead with your question. Mr. Bafna, please unmute your microphone. We don’t have a response from Mr. Rahul Bafna’s line. We’ll take Ananya Khanna for a follow up question. Please go ahead. Ms. Kanna.
Ananya Khanna
Yeah. So you mentioned that you have a license from a German company to manufacture wind turbines in house. Correct. So I want to understand any IU seeking to be an. I mean you definitely seek to be an OEM for wind turbines. Right? But at the moment are any significant functions with respect to the manufacturing process outsourced or is everything done in house end to end?
Anil Jain
Generally manufacturing of wind turbine is very similar to a car or something like that where all the parts are manufactured by various vendors across the country. And these are all manufactured under our load license. The product development and Engineering is done by us. They are all contract manufacturers. So some of the parts like maybe most of the steel towers etc are also third party manufacturing. So it’s more like an assembly center which all the wind turbine manufacturers have.
Ananya Khanna
All right, so product design and assembly is what happens in house, right? Yes.
Operator
Thank you. Thank you so much. We’ll take a follow up question from Mitensha. Please go ahead.
Mithin Shah
Yeah, so you know one more request. You know if in the subsequent presentation like, like we’ve indicated for ash and coal handing business the current order book stands at 1500 crores. You know I would request you know if you could also include for the wind energy sector as well. You know the current order book say in terms of megawatt gigawatts or in terms of reven. And also if you can also include you know the projected or targeted timeline, you know for this order book. If that’s a fair request.
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
Yeah, Mithinji, I’ve already told is there in the PPT also 1860 crore is the order book for the wind segment and it is there in the PPT one of these slides and this has to be. This has to be closed executed within 3 to 12 months from today. Okay. And that is the wind and the 1500 crore. This has to be. This all order, all order is from five months to three years majority. If I divide that 1500 crore, 40% has to be executed in next four months. Next four to 12 months it has to be executed around 50% and balance 10 to 15% belongs to the three years contract.
Mithin Shah
Yeah, I did hear this in the previous reply as you said. Basically it’s just a request, you know if this can be included in the presentation as well, you know in an elaborated manner in how this would be executed. That’s a request. And second thing, you know I’m a little bit you know enthused about this wind energy business. This Ven Wind, is it the name of the subsidiary or is it the name of the oem? Original OEM from where we are getting the transfer of technology.
Anil Jain
No, the name of original OEM is Venus Energy. So it’s. The name of the subsidiary is called Venwin Refix Private limited. The name when wind was coined from when of the Venice and wind to demonstrate what the company is doing and prefix is the prefix to that.
Mithin Shah
Perfect. So. So correct. Is there any royalty that needs to be paid to the parent company? Is there any contract as such, you know, annually?
Anil Jain
Yes, there is a. There is a royalty which is to be paid after three years on A year on year basis which could range from anywhere between 0.25 to 0.5% depending on the volume we do.
Mithin Shah
Correct, correct. And, and is there any, I mean who is handling this vertical? I mean because as I believe you know it is a very complicated vertical basically on a standalone itself only, you know where we see a lot of competition in a country as well. So is there any dedicated professional or a CEO who know with, with. With a sound pedigree or prior experience who is looking after it or dedicated.
Anil Jain
A very professional team with an cumulative experience of more than 150 years is managing this business? Anirudh Kemka is the CEO for the business. He has been in the industry for a very very long time and are associated with large companies like NEPC etc in the past. And, and the whole team, the top management who are in this is from various wind companies who have served more than 10 to 15 years or even longer and been part of the industry.
Mithin Shah
Got it, got it. Thanks a lot as usual I have more questions but I’ll definitely ask if I get an opportunity.
Operator
Mr. Shah, we request you to ask all your set of questions now.
Mithin Shah
Yeah if you have any. Yeah, yeah sure. So my next question would be are there any investment planned for. For this fiscal. I mean hardly there is any time or for the next fiscal or going ahead?
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
No, there is no. There will be a very very small capex will happen both at RA level and small will happen in the venue level and there is no any, any big, big plan of investment in this quarter.
Mithin Shah
Correct, correct. And. Sorry like
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
Some of the, some of the. Some of the investment is lying as a loan in the subsidiary which may get converted into either OCD or equity depending on the structure of whatever agreed with the respective spb. And that will happen in this quarter
Mithin Shah
Not it noted. Okay okay. Probably the last question I I would present would be what is the cash in hand? And and also the debt as of now we speak.
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
Not having the number in hand as of now we have substance. Indicative. Yeah
Mithin Shah
Indicative.
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
Yeah more than up, I mean more up, upward up hundreds crores. We have good amount of cash in hand.
Mithin Shah
Okay and what about the cash on the consolidated level? Sorry, debt on the consolidated level.
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
Debt at a consolidated level will be. This
Operator
Is
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
300, it is around 700 crore. Majority of that is non fund based.
Mithin Shah
For
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
The working capital. All is working capital. 150 will be the CC limit. 550 crore will be the BGNLimit.
Mithin Shah
Okay so as such long term is as good as NIL it’s only mainly for the working capital.
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
Yeah, only small term loan. That Is also. That is 37 crore of term loan. That is for the office building. Is there other than that? Nothing. No. Tamil.
Mithin Shah
Perfect. Perfect. That. That. That. I mean. I think that’s enough for today. Thanks. I’m really appreciate for your response and I wish you all the best.
Operator
Thank you so much. Thank you. We’ll take our next question from the line of Rahel s of Sapphire Capital. Please go ahead with your question.
Rahel S
Hello, good evening.
Operator
Yes, please.
Rahel S
Yes, I. So. So I just. I wanted to clear my confusion about the EBITDA margins outlook you have provided. Is this on a consolidated basis? You’ve said so 11 to 12 for quarter four and the entire year. And you’d like to do better going ahead quarter on quarter. But then why was our margins on higher side in the last two quarters? And why will they not sustain at those levels which is mid teens?
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
No, it is depending on the contract to contract. We are not telling it will not sustain it. There is a multiple contract has multiple. I mean different type of margin. It is on the execution which happens during that period that decides the overall margin for that quarter. We always target for a higher margin and we expect also it will be a better margin. But since multiple contract will get executed, it will leverage up.
Rahel S
So in the previous two quarters, two and. And this current one which ended the margins were like meetings because of the nature of the contract as well.
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
No, no nature of contract. All largely same. Only
Rahel S
Depending
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
On the bid to bid margin differs.
Rahel S
Okay, but on a steady state you are guiding 12 and your aim is always more. That’s what you’re saying.
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
Yeah. And
Rahel S
That is considering once the wind revenue also kicks in.
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
Wind will be a wind. Wind revenue. I’m speaking at a standalone level of reflex industry. Wind will have a different margin.
Rahel S
What will be your consolidated outlook on the margins going ahead? What can one expect
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
As of now? I mean we are not speaking on the leading number on the guidance on this thing. But it will have a better margin than the first.
Rahel S
Okay, thank you so much.
Operator
Thank you. We’ll take our next question from Rahul Bafna. Please go ahead with your question.
Rahul Bafna
Hello. Am I audible?
Operator
Yes, please.
Rahul Bafna
Regarding sir, this. Whatever this I. Income tax rate and everything has happened. No, it’s totally crashed the prices of shares and everything. So we have been invested from last year and you know, stock is continuously going down. So what is the next vision for that? At the end of the day it is business. So as a stakeholder, everyone Know. You know we have also invested to earn. Nothing seems. You know. Right. Waited for quite a long time and nothing is right. Almost 50% down the stock is. So what is the next vision for the company if we hold what to do what not.
I think Rahul,
Anil Jain
Over the last 101hour we have spoken about the guidance business. Everything. We really don’t have any say on the stock price or comments on the stock price. I think that is a market driven like you’ve seen. The business has been growing a month on month, quarter on quarter. So the company is doing very well. And it will just continue to do very well going forward. Also we don’t have any comments on the stock price. Please
Rahul Bafna
Any information regarding when the stock split is happening. So demerger is happening. So
Anil Jain
There is no stock split or the demerger. We only given the guideline that by end of April it will happen. Sir.
Rahul Bafna
Okay. Thank you. Best of luck.
Anil Jain
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you so much. We have our next question coming in from the line of Aniket Madhwani. Please go ahead.
Aniket Madhvani
Yeah, hi. I just. I was just going through the P L and just realized that there is a significant dip here on year basis. I mean if you Compare to the December 2024 number. So there is around 16 drop in top line. So any specific reason for.
Anil Jain
I think we did explain that earlier also. It is because of the discontinuation of power trading business. And the refrigeration business. Refrigerant gas business. That is why there’s a tip.
Aniket Madhvani
Okay. So you will be expecting the. I mean we will be expecting to improve in coming quarters. Right. Our
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
Profit will keep improving. I mean our focus is creating maximum profit in the business. We are realigning the strategy. We have discontinued where margin is less like power trading refrigerant gas which we have spoken. And we are also. Our focus is more on growing the service business which is as handling and the mining service business. We’re not concentrating on more of a coal trading also. We are reducing it. That is the reason revenue drop has happened. Whereas profit has increased from year on.
I mean if you Compare it was EBITDA level. It was 153 crore. And it is now these. This nine months. It is 207 crore.
Aniket Madhvani
Done. Yeah. Thank you.
Operator
Thank you so much. Ladies and gentlemen. That was the last question for today. Hence we will now close the Q and A session. On behalf of Reflex Industries Ltd. We conclude today’s conference. Thank you for joining us. Thank
Dinesh Kumar Agarwal
You so much.
Operator
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