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HCL Technologies Limited (NSE: HCLTECH) Q4 2026 Earnings Call dated Apr. 21, 2026
Corporate Participants:
Nitin Mohta — Investor Relations
C. Vijay Kumar — Chief Executive Officer
Shiv Valia — Chief Financial Officer
Analysts:
Abhishek Pathak — Analyst
Rishabh Jain — Analyst
Sudhir Gontapalli — Analyst
Nitin Padmanabhan — Analyst
Kumar Rakesh — Analyst
Vibhor Singhal — Analyst
Presentation:
Operator
Sam. Sa. It. Sa. Sa. Ladies and gentlemen, good day and welcome to HCL Tech’s Q4 and annual FY26 earnings conference call. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen only mode and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. Should you need assistance during this conference, please signal an operator by pressing STAR and then zero on your touchtone phone. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr.
Nitin Mohta, head Investor Relations. Thank you. And over to you sir.
Nitin Mohta — Investor Relations
Thank you Darwin Good morning and good evening everyone. A very warm welcome to HCL Tech’s Q4 and annual FY26 earnings call. We have with us Mr. C. Vijay Kumar, CEU and Managing Director HCL Tech, Mr. Shiv Valia, Chief Financial Officer along with the broader leadership team to discuss the performance of the company during the quarter followed by a Q and A In the course of this call, certain statements that will be made are forward looking which involve a number of risks, uncertainties, assumptions and other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in such forward looking statements.
All forward looking statements made herein are based upon information presently available to the management and the Company does not undertake to update any forward looking statements that may be made in the course of this call. In this regard, please do review the safe harbor statements in the formal investor release documents and all the factors that can cause the difference. Over to you Sivike.
C. Vijay Kumar — Chief Executive Officer
Thank you Nitin Good evening, good afternoon and good morning to all of you. Thank you for joining HCL Tech’s Q4 and FY26 earnings call. This year marks 50 years of HCL Group. 50 years of building, reinventing and leading and giving back. It’s the start of the next one. The next 50 starts now. It’s fitting that as we mark this milestone, HCL Tech has been named to Fortune’s World’s Most Admired Company’s 2026 list. Coming to business performance FY26 unfolded with an uncertain outlook. Tariff volatility remained a persistent uncertainty.
Discretionary spending contracted in traditional areas but emerged in new pockets and client behavior reflected familiar patterns of cost takeout initiatives coupled with accelerated adoption of AI productivity gains. Notably, AI momentum remains strong with nearly all deals incorporating an AI or gen AI component. Given this backdrop, the year marks the third consecutive year of HCL Tech’s likely to deliver the highest organic revenue growth amongst scale players. I sincerely thank all heel techies for their dedication and outstanding performance.
Coming to our Q4 performance, our revenue for the quarter was $3.7 billion, decline of 3.3% quarter on quarter and an increase of 2.4% year on year. Our services business declined 0.1% sequentially and an increase of 4.2% year on year. Our software business declined 28% sequentially and 14% on a year. On year basis. Advanced AA revenue for the quarter stood at 1:55.1 million, marking a 6.1% QoQ growth. Our operating margin for the quarter came at 16.5% and it would be 17.7% excluding restructuring costs.
Apart from sequential decline due to seasonality. In the software business, we saw delay in procurement decisions in the month of March that resulted in revenue coming below our expectations. In case of services, our performance during the quarter came in at the lower end of our expectations. This was primarily due to reduction in discretionary spending on telecom vertical as well as discontinuation of the two SAP programs. Some of this became visible only towards end of the quarter, mostly in early March.
While the annuity programs in the telecom vertical performed as per expectations. The discretionary spend both in digital business and engineering services was cut by select telecom customers, specifically two large clients in the US during the quarter. We expect the impact to continue for rest of the calendar year as well, which is accounted for in the guidance we will provide. In FY26 we reported a consolidated revenue of $14.7 billion, an increase of 3.9% in constant currency. All growth rates referred are in constant currency.
This growth includes growing contribution from advanced AI and AI offerings. Our operating margin for the full year was 17.2, a dip of 107 basis points compared to last financial year. Excluding the restructuring costs, our full year margins were 17.9, down 40 basis points on a year on year basis. In FY26 our services business achieved a growth of 4.8%. The performance was driven by IT and Business Services which reported an increase of 3.7%, and engineering and R and D services which recorded growth of 9.8%.
HCL software revenue stood at $1.4 billion and annual recurring revenue at $1.05 billion, a decline of 4.1% and 0.5% respectively. Our annualized advanced AA revenue for the fiscal reached $620 million after two quarters of strong booking. New deal booking for the quarter moderated to $1.93 billion. Bookings for the fiscal was good. TCV of net new bookings for the year clocked $9.3 billion, same as last year. In spite of some of the AI deflation that you see in the TCV Net new booking as we close the quarter and fiscal year, our AI strategy is translating into deeper client engagement and clear market leadership.
Momentum across our advanced AI offerings and overall AI portfolio remains strong reflecting the strength of our early bets and a continued focus on AI that scales from experimentation to measurable business impact. Our ambition is to be the best AI solutions company leveraging our engineering pedigree. Our AI growth strategy is based on 1 proactive transformation of our services 2 building differentiated IP that help clients scale AI adoption within the enterprises, 3 expanding into new AI led services, 4 strengthening our AI partnerships and 5 grooming our AI talent.
If you look at our client categories, we’ve grown them across the board. Starting with an increase of 1 for clients greater than $100 million, an increase of 8 $50 million clients and all the way at $1 million we added 28 clients. All 100 million and 50 million client additions are through organic growth. This is a great proof of our AI strategy and the relevance of AI propositions and most importantly the client relevance which is helping us increase wallet share in a number of our top clients.
Let me share an update on each one of these five AI strategic pillars Starting with proactive transformation of our services, we have deployed AI across delivery and operations to augment velocity, quality and efficiency across delivery workflows. Our service transformation platform AI Force is Now deployed across 75 distinct accounts. This continued momentum is translating into large and strategic deal wins that demonstrate the tangible value of our AI capabilities. Beyond delivering measurable scalable AI impact for our clients, we are also transforming internally towards an autonomous zero friction enterprise by reimagining core operations and employee experiences.
For example, Lumi, our enterprise AI agent enables seamless employee interactions and instant query resolution and Talent Navigator, our talent acquisition platform which I had talked about. Last quarter we released our Responsible AI transparency report, the first among GSI’s outlining the progress we have made in embedding responsible AI across our organization and client engagements. The report details our governance model, how we operationalize accountability, fairness, security, privacy and transparency aligned with global standards.
On the second strategic pillar of building differentiated IP which is AI Force and all industry AI solutions, a key focus of our strategy is building differentiated IP that help clients move from experimentation to scaled impact. In this fiscal we have filed 38 patents across advanced AI technologies. In parallel, we continue to broaden our AI services portfolio to meet industry specific needs. This quarter we launched two new AI Force SKUs for SAP and MedTech. We also unveiled 2.0 release of AAforce which further strengthens its agent capabilities with the sharper focus on extensibility, modularity, enterprise grade governance and interoperability.
This was followed by AI Force 2.1 which enhanced platforms, administrative controls and enriched contextual responses through knowledge graphs. Our existing vertically aligned industry AI solutions are gaining strong market traction and we continue to invest in building scalable repeatable offerings with three currently under development and more in our pipeline. Expanding into the third pillar which is new AI led services in physical AI, we unveiled VisionX 2.0, our Edge AI platform. The release introduces a multimodal AI engine, LLM based surveillance agent, vertical specific use cases, zero touch architecture, zero touch provisioning and a scalable edge to cloud design.
VisionX integrates with Nvidia Metropolis and supports flexible edge infrastructure through Dell and HPE in physical AI. We also launched Kinetic AI DCOps integrated with AI Factory under AI Advisory services. We hosted 123 new engagements in our AI labs in Q4 with a notable increase in CEO and COO led transformation programs. These engagements are increasingly focused on agentic AI driven enterprise transformation, value stream RE engineering and workforce transformation. I want to mention two of the many advanced AI deals we won.
A global technology major selected HCL Tech for another AI Factory program worth over $100 million. A HCL Tech solution will fast track the client requirements of building and operating next generation AI data centers to supporting cutting edge AI workloads using latest GPU technologies. A global Semiconductor major selected HCL Tech’s AI engineering services to support ASIC development across multiple advanced node chips, strengthening its position in physical AI. I would also encourage you to view some of the client success stories we have delivered in the new advanced AI services showcased through our editorial series with Wired Magazine titled Pioneers of Enterprise AI available on our website homepage.
Coming to the fourth pillar, AI partnerships across the entire technology stack, our ecosystem continues to be a force multiplier for innovation and scale. We announced an expanded collaboration with Google Gemini, leveraging Gemini Enterprise and Gemini models to build custom AI agents for global clients while strengthening security and collaboration through Google Workspace. HCL Tech was selected by AWS as a Global Capability Center Partner with AWS under Rick’s initiative and also named an official Launch partner for AWS European Sovereign Cloud, a new independent cloud for Europe at Nvidia GTC 2026.
Nvidia highlighted HCL Tech as a key partner using Cosmos to accelerate physical AI training and video analytics, the only GSI referenced in this context. We recently hosted a virtual hackathon focused on agentic AI to accelerate AI innovation in partnership with Microsoft in the AI security space, we expanded our partnership with CrowdStrike with the launch of continuous Threat Exposure Management services enabling continuous intelligence, led identification, prioritization and remediation of exposure across endpoints, cloud identity applications and data.
We continue to bring academia and industry together through partnerships like mit. Recently we expanded our collaboration with MIT Media Lab to include an Applied AI Research internship program and an agentic AI hackathon, building on a shared ambition to advance agentic AI innovation with real world impact. Lastly, our partnership with OpenAI is delivering measurable impact. We’re helping clients scale enterprise AI operating systems and agentic workflows through our dedicated OpenAI Enterprise Consulting and OpenAI Badged Agentic Engineering teams working in close collaboration with OpenAI Forward Deployed Engineers.
Recent examples include two large retailers in Europe and US. More partnerships to come in the coming weeks. On the fifth pillar of developing our AI talent, we continue to expand our talent pipeline. To date we’ve trained 134 employees in Genai Technologies. Additionally, 11 8k AI builders and more than 700 plus black belts for service transformation have been trained and certified. Taken together, these outcomes reflect not just strong quarterly execution, but a strategy that is clearly resonating with clients as they move decisively into an AI accelerated future.
Coming to bookings bookings in Q4 were well balanced across service lines, geographies and verticals, calling out a few large deals other than the large AI factory deal for a global tech major and AI engineering work we are doing for a global semiconductor major which I mentioned as a part of advanced AI deals and US based BioPharma major selected HCL Tech’s physical AI solution Tracex to strengthen inventory visibility and control. The engagement will enable the client to improve operational efficiency, accuracy, enhance supply chain resilience and create a scalable digital foundation.
To support its broader smart manufacturing transformation program, a US based global medtech company selected HCL Tech to set up a state of the art Cybersecurity center of Excellence by leveraging its Next gen Cybersecurity Fusion center and AIForce Secure Platform. HCL tech will help establish an adaptive security posture, secure connected health devices and support regulatory compliances across clients. Global Value Chain, a US subsidiary of a global memory semiconductor group that powers next generation AI factories and hyperscale data centers worldwide.
Selected HCL Tech to provide end to end firmware development and sustenance services helping strengthen the reliability, performance and scalability of clients. High performance storage platforms HCL Tech’s advanced engineering services will strengthen the client’s enterprise grade storage portfolio. A Europe based industrial engineering and manufacturing company selected HCL Tech to modernize its IT infrastructure and application landscape. HCL Tech will leverage its AI Force platform to improve productivity and agility across the client’s organization’s technology environment.
A Few Other Business Updates in the India AI Summit we were privileged to host the Hon. Prime Minister of India Sri Narendra Modi to our booth where he engaged with us to explore how HCL Tech is advancing AI for people, planet and progress. HCL Tech is the only service provider rated as Customers choice across all six published Gartner Voice of the Customer Assessments for IT Services. We signed a definitive agreement to acquire Finergy Solutions, a boutique wealth consulting firm headquartered in Singapore.
Finergy will enhance our financial services portfolio, adding specialized capabilities in core banking and wealth management transformation. This quarter we also completed the acquisition of Huobi, a data intelligence AI offering to augment our data offerings in our software space. We are also recognized as one of the world’s most ethical companies by Ethisphere for the third consecutive year. We are also included in S and P Global Sustainability Yearbook for the fourth year in a row. Coming to our Pipeline Market Trends and Business Outlook Our pipeline remains robust and broad based across segments, verticals and regions with AI increasingly integral to every deal conversation.
While we continue to see demand in traditional buying motions through cost takeout, vendor consolidation and modernization dominate the deal mix. We are continuing to invest in AI aligned go to market, advanced AI offerings and AI led service transformation to exploit when client spend ramps up on the AI transformation program. If we look at the industry today and categorize it, 40% of the industry runs the risk of being disrupted by AI and can shrink 3 to 5% CAGR for a few years and can eventually be 25% of the enterprise spend.
This spend is what I would call as AI disrupted and is in traditional areas like application development, support, traditional infrastructure operations, customer support, et cetera. Then there is a 55% of the industry that can take advantage of AI like data, cybersecurity, cloud and grow healthy at about 10% plus and grow its share of enterprise spend marginally. We would call this as AI Amplified or AI Augmented services. Finally, there is a market that is AI native, currently at 5% of the market, growing at 30% and can become 20% plus of the market in five years.
This includes AI factory, AI Engineering, custom silicon engineering and many other advanced AI services. Our AI growth strategy is customized to align to the differential growth rates of each of these three categories that I mentioned. We believe it will help us grow faster than the market and the 3% to 5% deflation that I mentioned in the AI disrupted services. Based on the mix of services that we have, it would translate to 2 to 3% for our portfolio overall Geopolitical escalations and a rapidly evolving situation that limits everyone from having a very definitive view of things that will evolve over the next 12 months.
We are seeing some of this impact already hurting the growth outlook in Europe. While there are no broad macro challenges in North America, while our business remains strong, two client specific challenges in Americas would have close to 50 basis points growth headwind in FY27. These customers are going through business challenges which are not related to the specifically to the macroeconomic conditions and have decided to scale down their IT budget significantly. For the software segment, we continue to work on pivoting the business to more and more subscription and steady revenue streams away from the perpetual license sale.
On the margin front, underlying profitability of our portfolio is resilient and the EBIT adjusted margins margins adjusted for restructuring are indicative of the same. While we work through the specific growth challenges of FY27, the benefit of currency depreciation would be used to continue our investments in sales and gen AI capabilities. Now coming to Guidance Our guidance For financial year 27 is as follows. The revenue growth guidance for the full year is 1 to 4% in constant currency and 1.5 to 4.5% for services.
EBIT margin guidance is 17.5 to 18.5% at the lower end. This assumes continued soft discretionary spend environment and the two clients that I referenced ramp down beyond the planned ramp downs. At the midpoint the two clients landed planned revenue and discretionary spend trajectory remaining constant at the higher end, moderate pickup in discretionary spend and couple of large deals materializing in the first half. By the way, this guidance does not include the two acquisitions, the Telecom Solutions Group from HPE that we announced to carve out and jaspersoft.
Both of these are not closed yet. They are delayed due to US Government approval that’s delayed due to the US Government shutdown of the specific departments. Now I would request SHIV to walk you through more details on our financial numbers.
Shiv Valia — Chief Financial Officer
Thank you. Cvk. Good morning, good afternoon and good evening to all of you. Thank you for joining our Q4 financial year 26 earnings call. Let me walk you through our financial performance for the quarter. First, starting with the revenue performance, please note all the growth numbers quoted are in constant currency unless noted otherwise. Total revenue for the quarter is $3,682 million, a drop of 3.3% Q on Q but with a growth of 2.4% year on year. Services revenue for the quarter came in at 3,386 million, a drop of 0.1% quarter on quarter and a growth of 4.2% year on year.
The IT based services grew 0.1% quarter on quarter 4.3% year on year. The ERS segment dropped by 1.3% quarter on quarter and grew by 3.8% year on year. Software revenue for the quarter is $307 million, a drop of 28.1% quarter on quarter a drop of 14.1% year on year. In terms of geographies during the quarter, USA grew at 4.9% year on year, Europe dropped 2.9% year on year while rest of the World row grew 16.6% year on year and India reported an increase of 5.3% year on year. In terms of verticals, our Q4 growth was broad based with 6 out of 7 verticals registering year on year growth.
Growth was led by technology and public services up 17.8% year on year and 10.7% year on year respectively. In terms of clients, our religious focus on services serving our customer has helped us to grow our client relationship. On a year on year basis we added one client in the hundred million 100 million category, eight clients in the 50 million category and 11 in the 20 million category and 26 in the 10 million category. In terms of profitability, our EBIT is $607 million at 16.5% of revenue.
If you were to adjust the restructuring expense of 120 of 120 basis point this quarter our Q4 margins are at 17.7% just 20 basis points down year on year.
Operator
Net
Shiv Valia — Chief Financial Officer
Income for the quarter is $486 million at 13.2% of revenue. In terms of margin warp softness in software business due to seasonality and delayed prices decisions making 181 basis point drop in margins at the company level, services margins dropped by 27 basis points quarter on quarter due to second cycle of increments in this quarter which had an impact of 45 basis points. Restructuring expense had an incremental impact of negative 41 basis points and higher. Bad debt provision had an impact of 19 basis point and Project Ascent helped us to obtain 13 basis point gain during the quarter and Forex had a positive impact of 65 basis points.
Now moving on to our financial performance for FY26. Here again, please note that all the growth numbers spotted are in constant currency unless noted otherwise. Starting with the revenue performance, Total revenue for the year is $14,664 million, a growth of 3.9% year on year. Coming to the services side, services revenue came in at $13,315 million, a growth of 4.8% year on year. Software revenue for the year is 1395 million, a degree growth of 4.1% year on year. Moving on to the profitability, Our EBIT is at 2,526 Million at 17.2% of revenue which is down by 107 basis point year on year basis.
Adjusted for restructuring, our ebit margins for FY26 stood at 17.9%, down 42 basis points versus last year. Project Ascend has been instrumental in helping us stabilize our margins as we navigate a tough FY26 with uncertain demand environment. Net income for the year is at $1959 million at 13.3% of revenue. EBIT and net income exclude the one time impact of new labor codes including the same FY26 EBIT is at $2417 million and net income is at $1877 million. Moving on to return on invested capital ROIC Our ROIC continues to improve thanks to our ongoing focus on profitability and efficient capital management.
The last 12 months ROIC is at 40.3% for the company up 235 basis point year on year and services ROIC now is at 47% up 155 basis point year on year. Software continued to improve with ROIC at 42.6% up to 74 basis points year on year. In terms of cash generation over the last 12 months, operating cash flow is at 2.25 billion with free cash flow amounted to 2.09 billion. Operating cash flow to net income conversion is healthy at115.15% and free cash flow to net income is at 107%. Our balance sheet continues to strengthen with gross cash at $3.53 billion and net cash at $3.51 billion.
Our DSO is currently at 84 days increased by three days quarter on quarter in terms of EPS and dividend. For our shareholder, the diluted EPS for the last 12 months came in at rupees 64.01 which is down 0.1% year on year. Including the impact of new labor crore, the diluted eps is at INR 61.36. The board has declared an interim dividend of rupees 24 per share for the quarter. The report date is 25th of April 26th and the payment of the same shall be on 5th of May 26th. That brings our last 12 months payout to rupees 60 per share, effectively distributing 97.6% of our net income.
Now, the capital allocation policy. Over the last five years, since introducing our capital allocation policy in FY22, we have paid out 89.9% of our net income to our shareholders. This translates into a record USD 8.5 billion in cash back to shareholders. We are pleased to share that the Board has extended the capital allocation policy today for a period of another five years. In line with our previous policy, we are committed to return at least 75% of our net income back to the shareholders over the next five years.
That’s all from my side for now and I would like to hand over the session to our moderator for a Q and A session. Thank you.
Questions and Answers:
Operator
Thank you very much. We will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press Star and one on their Touchstone telephone. If you wish to withdraw yourself from the question queue, you may press star and 2. Participants are requested to please use handsets while asking a question. You are also requested to please restrict yourselves to one question only per participant. If you have any further questions, you may rejoin the queue. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now wait for a moment while the question queue assembles.
Our first question comes from the line of Abhishek Pathak from Motila Loswal Financial Services limited. Please go ahead.
Abhishek Pathak
Yeah, hi. Thank you for the opportunity. I’m audible.
Rishabh Jain
Yes.
Abhishek Pathak
Yeah. Hi. Hi team. So, team, my first question is on the deflation number that, that CVK reference. So, so CVK on the 3 to 5% deflation estimate that we have, what is the risk that this number kind of keeps, keep expanding over let’s say the next two to three years as, as model capabilities improve and as you know, more and more of what IT services kind of provides comes under the ambit of what Genai can do. That’s the first question. And the second question as an offset, that is you did mention your Genai offerings across, be it chip design, be it agenti, etc.
So across those five offerings that you have, which of the offerings do you think are seeing the maximum uptake and where you feel like, you know, over indexing a lot over the next two to three years? So the impact of deflation kind of gets, gets offset and if I could just squeeze in one more on the guidance front, how much of the guidance sort of, you know, I should say, you know, softness comes from geopolitical pressures and how much of it comes from sort of, you know, the event that had happened between the last, let’s say, you know, two, three months.
That includes, let’s say the release of Opus 4.6 or the geopolitical impact that we’ve had. Thank you.
C. Vijay Kumar
Thank you. Abhishek. Let me answer one by one. Starting with the deflation number 3 to 5% that I shared is mostly based on the industry mix of services. And for the specific question on how does it change with respect to the model effectiveness. I think most of the enhancement in models are really driving more and more velocity and efficiency in the SDLC lifecycle. So I think that piece could go through a little higher deflation based on these model outcomes. In rest of the areas it is agent take it is human in the loop and even the latest model on anthropics.
My thoughts ability to run production environment fixes without human in the loop is very limited and this has been acknowledged even in their own release notes. So it depends on the service mix and for us we called out 2 to 3% and I think that holds true even now. So in terms of new services, I think that’s a great question. We have obviously called out five key areas which is physical AI, AI factory, custom silicon engineering for inferencing, AI LED marketing services and IP and platforms. Of course IP and platforms are integral to a lot of service transformation.
It has a very small component of IP embedded into it. I think AI factory is where we are seeing tremendous traction. One of the large deals that we called out this quarter is a ,undred million dollar plus AI factory deal for design, implementation and support of an AI data center next gen AI data center for a large technology company. So I think we are seeing good traction. We are already now into two major clients for this and we hope to get to another three or four more in this coming year. Similarly, semiconductor engineering, I mean we also announced a new deal this quarter on physical AI and which is really some basic development work on advanced nodes which is also the cutting edge work.
And these are the areas which we are doubling down and we see great, great traction and coming to the guidance what it bakes in. Like I don’t want to kind of say that geopolitics is driving this. I would want to be more specific. Like of course there has been some impact in March which is what is reflected in our, I mean significantly lower revenue in Q4 and as I said, 2 telecom, large telecom clients are cutting down, have cut down on the discretionary spend for this calendar year. I see that continuing till end of the year.
And a couple of SAP programs were discontinued. That will also have an impact. And I mean we’re seeing some softness in Europe and the US seems to be quite robust except for this specific client situations that I called out. And for FY27 2 clients, we see a half a percent reduction due to their own business. We continue to have very high wallet share. But their own business pressures, they’ve reduced significant spend and that’s what is driving the overall guidance.
Operator
Thank you cbk. All the best.
C. Vijay Kumar
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Sudhir Gontapalli from Kotak Mahindra Asset Management company. Please go ahead.
Sudhir Gontapalli
Yeah, hi Sinika, just one clarification. So these two HIV students and the two telecom accounts, are they overlapping or are they two separate events? That is number one and number two, what uses the confidence that these two might be isolated events and there is no underlying factorial or causality driving this at a vertical level, at either a telecom vertical level or maybe in a broader set of SAP implementation programs or in any particular geography at this stage. And if the third one, if I may squeeze in, if you add back that 50 basis points of impact because of these two accounts, still it would be like you’re essentially talking about 2 to 5% ish kind of growth in services which might be a bit tad softer than what we are anticipating.
So anything to explain that, Delta? That would be helpful, thank you.
C. Vijay Kumar
Yeah, two telecom clients and the two other clients are completely different. The two other clients where there is half a percent decrease in FY26 guidance, whatever 75/plus million dollars, one is a large manufacturing client, other one is a retail client. So there is no overlap in these clients. Now what gives us confidence? This is restricted, as I said in the lower end of our guidance, we are baking in that the softness continues. That’s what we have baked in the lower end of our guidance. And I think given it’s a well known fact that 2 to 3% deflation happens, I think barring this getting to 2 to 5% is a reasonable growth.
I think in the given environment and in so much of uncertainty, I think it’s good. And this of course does not include any acquisitions and they will get closed sometime during the year and we will call it out separately.
Sudhir Gontapalli
Great answer. Thanks a lot.
C. Vijay Kumar
Thank you. And actually outside of these two data points that we shared the Business continues to perform at the same pace so I think we have done enough whatever validations. So that’s how we arrived at our guidance.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Rishabh Jain from Access Capital. Please go ahead. Rushabh Jain, your line has been unmuted. You may proceed with your question. Guys, there’s no response. We’re not receiving a response from the current participant. We will move to the next questioner. Our next question is from the line of Nitin Padmanabhan from Investec. Please go ahead.
Nitin Padmanabhan
Yeah, hi, good evening. Thank you for the opportunity. So the impact we had in telecom this quarter I think sequentially it’s some 12 odd million so that began in March. So we should assume that you will see a full quarter kind of an impact in the next quarter. So over and above this 50 basis points which is with those two other clients, this itself is quite a drag. Is that a fair understanding?
C. Vijay Kumar
Yeah, I mean almost a 1% drag. Yeah, I wouldn’t say that it was only in March though the decision got communicated to in March. But it does have a little more impact than just one month because I think these were the sows which were expected as a part of calendar year 26 spend and it was dragging and finally it was called off. So I would say it’s a little more than a month and yeah, I think that will create a significant and we are assuming at least that is there till end of the year and that is all accounted in our guidance.
Nitin Padmanabhan
Sure, that’s helpful. The second one I wanted to ask you was on the cancellation of SAP programs, this is purely a budget decision or is it a technology or that kind of a strategic decision on the cancellation of the SAP programs
C. Vijay Kumar
I think this were related to the client budgets. I think they kind of deprioritized this modernization. I think there is a general understanding that the timelines for some of this is also going to get extended from SAP. I mean some of that is probably playing into these decisions.
Nitin Padmanabhan
Sure, that’s helpful. Just one last one from my end on the products business considering that a lot of these were end of life which we have built on and try to modernize in the context of whatever we are seeing with AI and all of that. How are you thinking about the long term trajectory of this business and are we likely to see see some maybe a higher cadence on new product launches from your end to sort of make up for that?
C. Vijay Kumar
Yeah, I mean first of all this Q3 revenue decline is not related to anything on AI or any of the latest whatever developments. As you know, the last fortnight of the quarter is crucial for all the deal closures in the software segment. I think the situation in West Asia led to deferral inclined decision making and also some of the delays in the US government also caused this. We expected it to get done before March but they didn’t get done. And then of course a couple of other situations where some client stakeholder changes and all that overall led to little more scrutiny and little more review of the deals.
I think it’s very specific and our long term trajectory for software business, it remains intact. I mean there are three broad portfolios. One is data, second one is operations which is all over Intelli Ops and AEX platforms. And the third is experience which has got some of the declining products. So I think the two categories which I called out, data and operations are growth oriented. They will get offset by the declines in the experience portfolio. So it’s our expectation is low, single digit or flattish or marginally declining.
That’s what we are expecting in the coming year. And as the recurring part of the portfolio improves that will also help because right now there is still if you see on a year on year we had a decline, bigger decline in the perpetual licenses and maybe a slight decline or flattish the steady state, steady stream revenue. So I think we need to kind of go through the entire cycle but it’s not something we are able to to predict because especially government buying is all perpetual licenses. So we are not able to clearly predict it at this point.
Nitin Padmanabhan
That’s very helpful. Thank you so much and all the very best.
C. Vijay Kumar
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Kumar Rakesh with BNP Pariba. Please go ahead.
Kumar Rakesh
Hi, good evening and thank you for taking my question. My first question was more of the near term performance. So in first quarter we usually see a seasonality when there is a productivity pass through which happens given there are a couple of account specific issues which will have a full quarter impact. So should we see higher than usual seasonality going into the first quarter? And also on the DLTC we spoke about that there was some deflationary impact of AI as well in that. So from at least near term should we expect the DLTC also to remain muted around 2 billion odd dollars?
C. Vijay Kumar
Yeah, yeah Rakesh, see you can assume the usual Q1 seasonality in spite of the headwinds that we had in Q4 which will continue into Q1. The mega deal ramp up is on track and that growth will offset the headwinds from the two client challenges that we talked about. So otherwise you can assume a usual Q1 seasonality
Kumar Rakesh
And DLTC the AI impact.
C. Vijay Kumar
Yes, of course, I mean whatever hundred million dollar deal, normal Ito deal would be much lesser today, maybe 80 million just on a rough ballpark. So deal TCB is flat, but technically it is required at least 25, 30% more effort to convert and get to the same number. But I also want to call out like there are, I mean we have lost some deals which are voluntary losses. We have walked away from some deals which will not make sense and that would have easily contributed at least a billion dollar more to this number.
So it’s only prudent to be a little bit more careful about this and spend the energy and organizational bandwidth on more reinventing for the future and enhancing our AI positioning and delivering more value to our clients using AI instead of really fighting some of the traditional deals where it’s of course hyper competitive. And if it doesn’t make sense, we worked out on quite a few in the last six months.
Kumar Rakesh
Thanks for that. The second question was more on the capability side. So the infrastructure managed services work that we do for enterprise customers, do we have a scope of work with hyperscalers as well? And if yes, how does that differ from the work that we do for enterprise customers?
C. Vijay Kumar
Yeah, yes, of course it is. It is different because you’re managing the HyperScaler Networks, the AI factory, a lot of the operational work, all of that is different, the tools used are different, the underlying network technology is significantly different. So it’s really a similar kind of capability, but it’s different technologies on which we have to work. So we have invested in training and retraining a lot of our infrastructure data center teams to drive or to really participate in the new AIDC programs.
And we’ve also hired a lot of lateral talent because a lot of this is also very geography specific. So we have been hiring a lot more lateral talent on this front in the last maybe a year or so.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Vibor Singhal from Nuama Equity. Please go ahead.
Vibhor Singhal
Yeah, hi, thanks for.
Operator
Sorry to interrupt. Your line isn’t clear.
Vibhor Singhal
Okay, I’m so sorry.
C. Vijay Kumar
Yeah, go ahead, go ahead.
Vibhor Singhal
So my question was on the product business, you mentioned that basically there was couple, there was a spillover of the last 14 days in this quarter because of which the revenue was a bit down if I see for the full year. Also our product business is down on 4% on a Y and Y basis. So is the revenue that we missed in this quarter. It’s kind of a spillover. We can expect that to come back in Q1 and hence the next year performance for product business could look better. Or what is the, I mean what is the kind of let’s say trajectory that we’re looking for the product business given the circumstances that we have at this point of time with the tariffs and the war and other external factors.
C. Vijay Kumar
Yeah, I think whether these deals will come back too many variables. So it’s too early to say and the timing of closure is unpredictable.
Kumar Rakesh
But
C. Vijay Kumar
You would have noticed this would be the first time we would have given a. I mean in the recent years the total revenue growth is half a percent below these services revenue growth. So at the lower end you can compute what our assumptions for the software business has been. Yeah,
Vibhor Singhal
Right, right, right, got it. And if I look at this, the second question is if I look at the client specific issues that you mentioned, two in telecom, one in manufacturing and one in retail, I would assume the three of them would probably be in the ER and department part and the retail would be in the pure IT services part.
C. Vijay Kumar
No, no, I, I mentioned the telecom is in the discretionary spend. It’s a digital business which is part of our ITBS portfolio
Vibhor Singhal
And
C. Vijay Kumar
The, the, the manufacturing client is both engineering services and bpo both pretty large thing. And the retail client is also mostly in our digital business.
Vibhor Singhal
We were
C. Vijay Kumar
Building a new platform and some of that is related to this.
Vibhor Singhal
Right. So considering only part of.
Operator
We request you to Please rejoin the Q7. Any further questions?
Vibhor Singhal
Okay, sure. Got it. Thanks a lot. Thanks for.
Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Rishabh Jain from Access Capital. Please go ahead.
Rishabh Jain
Hi, thanks. This is Ravi Adam from Access Capital CK. We talked about 3 to 5% deflation. That’s kind of what we see anyway. Even before AI in renewal deals we were seeing 10 to 15% cut in pricing over the life of the deals which will translate to more or less 3 to 5%. So doesn’t look like with AI there is anything significantly different. Would that be right?
C. Vijay Kumar
No, I think we were always careful that this is the incremental impact. I mean the traditional productivity, what we normally commit in a greenfield or in a Gen1 outsource, we should be now looking at an incremental kind of impact or reduction in the overall solution.
Rishabh Jain
And then should we think about this then being low to mid single digits, being closer equivalent to high single digits, the demand or the lack of growth in the last three years and this is the fourth year of world demand. I mean can we say that some of this is also due to AI, the deflation impact?
C. Vijay Kumar
No. I would say that we expect, I mean very little has really played out in the already reported numbers. We expect this to happen in FY27 and onwards. And that’s also why you will see this guidance lower than what we had given last year.
Rishabh Jain
Thanks. That’s on the slide.
C. Vijay Kumar
Thank you Avi.
Operator
Thank you ladies and gentlemen. We will take that as the last question for today. I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. C. Vijay Kumar, CEO and MD for closing comments. Over to you sir.
C. Vijay Kumar
Yeah. Thank you everyone for joining us on the on our earnings call for financial year FY26 closing. I think given the backdrop of the extreme external environment, HCL Tech has delivered good performance dealing with all the different variables that are playing. And our business remains very resilient. And we continue to focus on reinventing the company to be the best AI solutions company with the engineering pedigree on the basis of which we want to keep focus and reinvent. And we will see differential growth rates in all the three different categories, AI disrupted, AI amplified and AI native or advanced AI services.
And we really look forward to growing our AI native services in 25, 30% range. And that will truly be the validation of how we are evolving as a company. And thank you for your support and I look forward to talking to all of you due course. Thank you and good evening.
Operator
Thank you on behalf of HCL Tech. That concludes this conference. Thank you all for joining us. You may now disconnect your lines.