Datamatics Global Services Limited (NSE: DATAMATICS) Q2 2025 Earnings Call dated Nov. 05, 2024
Corporate Participants:
Pratik Jagtap — Investor Relations
Rahul L. Kanodia — Vice Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Ankush Akar — Chief Financial Officer
Mitul Mehta — Executive Vice President and Chief Marketing Officer
Analysts:
Grishma Shah — Analyst
Farhad Bamji — Analyst
Unidentified Participant
Sanjay — Analyst
Amit Agicha — Analyst
Jatin — Analyst
Presentation:
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to Datamatics Global Services Limited Q2 FY ’25 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is being recorded.
I now hand the conference over to Mr. Pratik Jagtap from EY Investor Relation. Thank you, and over to you, sir.
Pratik Jagtap — Investor Relations
Thank you, Tanmaya. Good evening to all the participants in the call today. Welcome to the Q2 FY ’25 Earnings Call of Datamatics Global Services Limited.
The results and presentation have been already mailed to you, and it is also available on the website of Datamatics. In case anyone has not received a copy of press release and presentation, please do write us and we will be happy to send you all.
To take us through the results today and to answer your questions, we have with us the top management of the company represented by Rahul Kanodia, Vice Chairman and CEO; Mitul Mehta, EVP and Chief Marketing Officer. Rahul will start the call with brief overview of the quarter on business, then talking on financials, and then we will open the floor for Q&A session.
I would like to remind you that anything that is said on this call, which gives any outlook for the future or which can be construed as forward-looking statements, must be viewed in conjunction with the risks and uncertainties that we face. These risks and uncertainties are included, but not limited to what we have mentioned in the prospectus filed with SEBI and subsequent annual reports, which you can find on our website.
With that said, I now hand over the call to Rahul sir. Over to you, sir.
Rahul L. Kanodia — Vice Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Thanks, Pratik, and a very warm welcome, and wishing everyone a very happy Diwali. Thank you all for joining our Quarter Two FY ’25 Earnings Call.
I will briefly discuss some of the key quarterly and half yearly highlights followed by updates on the financials, after which, we will open the floor for Q&A discussions.
Our total revenues for quarter two stood at INR406.8 crores, giving us a revenue growth of 8% on a year-on-year basis. Our EBIT for quarter two stood at INR39.3 crores and our EBIT margin was 9.7%. Our total revenues for H1 stood at INR800.7 crores, giving us a revenue growth of 4.3% on a year-on-year basis. Our EBIT for H1 stood at INR81.9 crores, and our EBIT margin was 10.2%. Our revenue growth has been primarily driven by new client acquisition across all three business verticals, which is Digital Technologies, Digital Operations and Digital Experiences. However, we faced margin compression due to the quarter — in the quarter due to lower volumes of tax processing business.
This quarter, we continued our investments in FINATO and AI solutions. Google has recognized us as a strategic partner for back-office of the future. And we have also partnered with Microsoft and developed our own copilot solutions focusing on process automation to accelerate business transformation for organizations. We continue to augment our sales and marketing efforts by hiring in USA and Europe and participating in industry events and conferences. Our business continues to progress according to plan.
This quarter, we expanded a client portfolio by adding 12 new customers. And regarding our recent acquisition of Dextara, I would like to inform you that the integration is in progress and is progressing well, and the teams are collaborating actively on new opportunities. We have already seen two wins for Salesforce-related services in quarter two.
The transport and logistics businesses continue to be a focus — key focus for Datamatics across all our lines of businesses. We have 15 customers in this segment. In quarter two, we added a global logistics leader handling cargo movement in across 180 countries as a customer. For this customer, we will implement FINATO for finance transformation in over 50 countries.
We have been strengthening our leadership team by bringing in senior management talent and have augmented our Board with the introduction of Dr. Avnish Kshatriya, Kanika Mittal, and Himanshu Verma. We extend a very warm welcome to them as part of the Datamatics family and are confident that their extensive industry expertise will contribute significantly to our continued success.
As you may know, our former CEO — CFO, Sandeep Mantri, left the organization last quarter. I’m pleased to introduce our new CFO, Ankush Akar. We warmly welcome Ankush to Datamatics and to our investor calls. Ankush, would you like to say something?
Ankush Akar — Chief Financial Officer
Hello, everyone. I’m excited about this new opportunity and looking forward to talking to you next quarter.
Rahul L. Kanodia — Vice Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Thanks. Thanks, Ankush. Since Ankush has recently joined, I will be presenting our financial performance for this quarter, and Ankush will address you starting next quarter.
Let me start with the financial performance for Q2 of FY ’25. Our quarter two FY ’25 revenue stood at INR406.8 crores, up by 32 — 3.2% on a quarter-on-quarter basis and 8% on a year-on-year basis. Our EBITDA for the quarter was at INR48.8 crores, which is down by 5.1% on a quarter-on-quarter basis, and our EBITDA margin for the quarter was at 12%. Our EBIT for the quarter was at INR39.3 crores, which is down by 7.7% on a quarter-on-quarter basis, and our EBIT margin stood at 9.7%.
Our quarterly PAT after NCI was at INR42.4 crores, which is down by 2.6% on a quarter-on-quarter basis. The PAT margin stood at 10.1%. Our tax rate for the quarter was at 19.9% compared to 16.4% in the last year same quarter. The primary reason for the increase in the profit mix of various — is the profit mix of the various geographical entities that we have. Our EPS for the quarter was at INR7.18 per share as compared to INR7.37 per share in the last quarter.
When we see segment-wise revenue performance, our Digital Technologies revenue was at INR162.2 crores, a growth of 0.5% on a quarter-on-quarter basis and 5.5% on a year-on-year basis. Its EBIT margin was at 4.2%, and its contribution to the total revenue was 40%. Our Digital Operations revenue was at INR176.6 crores, a growth of 7.1% on a quarter-on-quarter basis and 7.3% on a year-on-year basis. The Digital Operations EBIT margin stood at 12.5%. It contributes to a total revenue of 43%. Our Digital Experiences revenue was at INR68 crores, a growth of 0.2% on a quarter-on-quarter basis and 16.2% on a year-on-year basis. The EBIT margin stood at 15.2%. Its contribution to the total revenue was 17%.
We continue to maintain a healthy balance sheet. As on September 30, 2024, our net cash and investments stood at INR615 crores. Our DSO was at 58 days as of September ’24 as compared to 61 days as of June 2024. In terms of geographical footprint, the U.S. remains our largest geography with 56% of our business coming from here, followed by India at 22% and rest of the world, including U.K. at and Europe at 22%.
In terms of industry footprint: Technology & Consulting was the largest segment for us, which constitutes 27% of our revenues; followed by BFSI, which stood at 23%; followed by Education & Publishing, which was at 15%; Manufacturing, Infrastructure, & Logistics, collectively all stood at 13%; and non-profit or government organizations at 10%; Retail at 8% of our business. The rest of all the other segments were 4%. Our client concentration remains very healthy with the top five, top 10 and top 20 contributing 21%, 36% and 51%, respectively.
With this, I will now pass on the call to the operator to open the floor for questions. Thank you all for your patience and continued interest in Datamatics.
Questions and Answers:
Operator
Thank you very much. [Operator Instructions] The first question is from the line of Grishma Shah from Envision Capital. Please go ahead.
Grishma Shah
Yes. Happy New Year to the management team, and thanks for taking my question. I am keen to understand two things. One, what is the outlook going ahead now that we’ve crossed the first half? How is the integration with the last acquisition that is — that we did in quarter four that is — how is that acquisition panning out? And why is the Digital Technologies EBIT margins at 4.2%? I mean, that seems to be quite too low. And even in Digital Operations, we’ve not seen these kind of EBIT margins before.
Rahul L. Kanodia
Yes. So to take your question — thanks, Grishma. The integration with Dextara is going well. It is very smooth, as I mentioned in my address that we’ve already closed two deals. We are chasing a few more deals, which is a whole cross-sell initiative that we’ve taken. So, so far, so good. The sales cycle, as you know, in this business is about nine months. So I didn’t expect anything substantial happening in the first two quarters. But from an integration point of view, both the teams are working very well together.
To your question on Digital Technologies’ margins, as we’ve mentioned in the past, our — we continue to invest in the AI space. That’s one reason, and that is significant in terms of investments. The second is that we have a large portion, which is the India-centric business and India-centric business tends to be lower margin anyway. To address that we are pivoting to the U.S., and we’ve augmented the sales team in the U.S., particularly and also in Europe. And I think that should start showing some results hopefully in the next two, three quarters.
In terms of Digital Operations, we had a volume shrinkage, which was rather unexpected because the customer themselves had a volume shrinkage in the U.S., and that caused the impact on the Digital Operations. Hopefully, the customer turns around and they come back to speed in the future quarters. Once that happens, we will also bounce back. I think in the next — the outlook for the next two, three quarters, I think we will be able to claw back some of the erosion we had in this quarter, and I’m quite optimistic that it will remain stable.
Grishma Shah
Okay. And now what’s the outlook going ahead, given that first half is already done? What is the…
Rahul L. Kanodia
As I mentioned, I think we’ll have a stable next two quarters, and we will be able to claw back some of the margins that we — that got eroded in the last quarter.
Grishma Shah
Okay. So we would grow only 4%, 5% this year. Is that the case, sir?
Rahul L. Kanodia
That is correct. We are, of course, in dialogue on some M&A, but they’re dialogues. No deal happens until it’s not happened. If we have any acquisition, then obviously, some of the outlook will change. But as of now you’re right, we will maintain a stable current level performance.
Grishma Shah
Okay, fine. Thank you, and good luck.
Rahul L. Kanodia
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you very much. [Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Farhad Bamji, who is an Individual Investor. Please go ahead.
Farhad Bamji
Yes. Thank you very much. Good evening, everyone. My question is as follows. In my experience, most Indian companies aspire to grow at two times the GDP, and smaller companies aspire for slightly higher growth because the base is less. If I look at our investor presentation in the last 10 years, we’ve grown at approximately 7.8 CAGR. Now that is substantially lower than what most companies would aspire to be. So my question is, how are we looking at growth going forward? Are we aspiring a 15%, 20% growth going forward? Do we have any strategy to be a $1 billion company, for example, in four, five years? Is there any strategic thinking on those lines?
Rahul L. Kanodia
Yes. So we are, and our approach for achieving that kind of a growth is predicated on three or four key elements. One is our alliance with the hyperscalers. We’ve talked about that. We are investing very heavily in the whole AI space. Google has recognized Datamatics. Microsoft has recognized Datamatics. We’re getting some good traction from whatever we’ve done with them in the market. We have stepped up our activities in participating in events, both in Europe and the U.S., and they’re giving us good traction when it comes to things like Copilot and AI. So that’s one area. In that space, in particular, it’s not the size that matters. It’s really your ability to move fast, and we are moving as fast as we can. That should result in some growth, point number one. So one is the hyperscalers bolted on with the whole AI angle.
The second is the M&A. We have a very healthy cash balance, and we have done an acquisition in the last two years. You’ve seen we’ve done two or three acquisitions, the latest one being Dextara. We are in dialogue with a few more companies. And as they materialize, obviously, that will give a boost to our growth. And then, of course, we leverage that from a cross-sell point of view and all of those things.
The third is that we have augmented our sales team in the U.S. and Europe, and we are also stepping up the marketing. So I think a combination of pushing the sales team more, augmenting the team in the investments we are making in marketing, the alliances with strategic partners like Microsoft and Google and the acquisitions, all put together will give us some of that boost that we are looking at in terms of the growth rates.
Farhad Bamji
Thank you. That was very helpful. And again, to just reiterate, given that last 10 years, we’ve grown at a CAGR of 7.8%.
Rahul L. Kanodia
Yes.
Farhad Bamji
What — would you all come up with some sort of a statement or strategy to say that we are changing gears and we’re looking at more a 20%-plus kind of CAGR or closer to higher-teen CAGRs than single-digit CAGRs. Would you all come up with some sort of a thinking or strategy or statements around that?
Rahul L. Kanodia
Well, we are working on that and we — you may have noticed we’ve also augmented our Board, and we’ve inducted several different people who are experts in the industry. So we are changing teams, both at the Board level as well as the operating management team. And I’m confident that we will be able to come back with a more refined strategy for growth. Our business planning will start in January. So I think in the next quarter, which is Jan, Feb, March, we should have our plans baked in for the growth that we’re looking at. So maybe around the year-ending quarter, we should have a little more insight into the strategy for achieving these growth numbers.
Farhad Bamji
That’s really great. Much appreciated. Wish you a lot of good luck. And I would love to see our company be a $1 billion company in the next four, five years or so. I would really wish for that.
Rahul L. Kanodia
Thank you very much, and that is our ambition as well. So, thank you very much.
Farhad Bamji
Great. Thank you so much. Thank you.
Operator
Thank you very much. [Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Nikhil Goktave [Phonetic] from Kizuna Wealth. Please go ahead.
Unidentified Participant
Hello? Am I audible?
Rahul L. Kanodia
Yes.
Unidentified Participant
Yes. Hi, sir. Can you just highlight some points on our top five client concentration? It has declined from 25% to 21%. Can you just highlight something about that?
Rahul L. Kanodia
So that decline is largely because of some volume reductions that we saw, and I kind of mentioned that in my address as well. So essentially, it’s a volume reduction that’s causing it, and that was partly because of the softness that we saw in the markets earlier. Although we do see markets picking up. And if you may recollect that we signed 12 new logos in the quarter. So in terms of new customer acquisition, it’s healthy. It’s just that a few of the larger clients had a volume shrinkage, which is what impacted. I am sure that they will bounce back soon. And with them, we will grow as well.
Unidentified Participant
Okay, sir. And sir, my next question is around about the macros — more of a macro environment. Like how do you look at the macro environment going forward in the spaces of like our BFSI over different verticals? And how — like how the interest rates are going to impact? Can you just provide some of your views on that?
Rahul L. Kanodia
So these are my personal views. I think the U.S. Fed is reducing interest rates, and they will do that a little more because they do need to spur the U.S. economy. And once that happens — but however, having said that, there is, of course, this looming issue of a war in the Middle East. We look at Turkey revving up. You look at Iran making some moves. Israel, of course, is getting aggressive. So there’s some degree of uncertainty there. There is also, at this point, as we speak, some uncertainty in the U.S. with the U.S. elections, but that should be settled very soon because I believe the elections will be announced today, U.S. timing. So that uncertainty hopefully should go away soon.
But Europe remains a bit of a sort of in a little bit of a doldrums, if I may. The economy is soft. And if you see Korea getting involved — North Korea getting involved with Russia in terms of the supporting Russia and the Ukraine war, that is some cause of concern. So overall, on a macroeconomic expectation, apart from the uncertainties of war in the Middle East and Europe, I think we should be all right once the U.S. elections are over. And that should be in another day or two, we’ll get the results. And the U.S. with them reducing the Fed rates, interest rates, I think the U.S. economy will bounce back and things should look better.
Unidentified Participant
Okay, sir. Thank you. That’s it from my side. And congratulations for a good set of numbers and all the best for the next quarter.
Rahul L. Kanodia
Thank you very much.
Operator
Thank you very much. [Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Sanjay, who is an Individual Investor. Please go ahead.
Sanjay
Hello?
Operator
Mr. Sanjay, your lines has been unmuted.
Sanjay
Yes.
Operator
Please proceed with your question.
Sanjay
Yes. Hi. Am I audible?
Operator
Yes, you are.
Sanjay
Hi, good evening. So I had two questions. Sir, in last call — last quarter call, like you mentioned that the margins will get expanded by 150 basis points to 200 basis points in Q2. So we see I think instead of expanding, it contracted. So what are the reasons? And are we seeing now the margins get better in Q3? Or we have to wait till Q4? That’s the first question.
Rahul L. Kanodia
Yes. So to your question, so as I mentioned, there was some unexpected volume degrowth from our customers because their volumes degrew. And that is really what impacted us. That was rather unexpected. Having said that, we have taken further steps on automating and tightening our belt. So I think we will, in the next two quarters, Q3 as well as Q4, claw back some of those margin erosions. That will happen for sure. We are now in Q3, so let’s see how this quarter ends. But whatever steps we are taking shows that we will be able to claw back some of the margins.
Sanjay
Okay. Thanks for that. And about the annual increments, is it given to all employees already or it is scheduled in this quarter?
Rahul L. Kanodia
No. The increments are given. The next increment cycle will be in Q1 of next financial year. So for this year, there’s no further increment as such.
Sanjay
Okay. Okay. So generally, we have like H2 generally is better than H1 and Q4 is generally higher — on higher side. So that trend will continue this year as well, right?
Rahul L. Kanodia
Yes. Q4 tends to spike, and we will see a spike in Q4 anyway because we have that very cyclical business in our financial F&A business.
Sanjay
All right. Thank you very much, and wishing you all the best.
Rahul L. Kanodia
Thank you very much.
Operator
Thank you very much. [Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Amit Agicha from HG Hawa. Please go ahead.
Amit Agicha
Good evening, sir. Am I audible?
Rahul L. Kanodia
Yes.
Amit Agicha
Thank you for giving me the opportunity and congratulations for good set of members. And greetings to all for the festive season. Yes, my question was with respect to like what are the initiatives being taken for artificial intelligence, like the investment being made and the impact on the revenue? And how are the new products being taken up in the market?
Rahul L. Kanodia
So we have taken a lot of steps, and we’ve invested significantly on the whole AI space. I think we are, in many ways, ahead of the curve, if I may, in terms of the kind of solutions that we’ve built. We’ve started taking them to the market, and we are getting some very good response from the market. Mitul is on the call as well. Maybe Mitul, since you are attending a lot of these events, maybe you want to say something on that. But just to conclude on that, we are getting some good responses. And hopefully, in the next quarter or two, we are able to close a few deals.
Mitul, do you want to add to that anything?
Mitul Mehta
Yes. So I am actually — I’ve been traveling across U.S. and Europe over the last couple of months, and we see a huge opportunity in — especially on the Copilot and on that front, where a lot of enterprises have taken the first step to buy — to go ahead with copilots into their enterprises. Now they’re looking at how that can be further leveraged into their enterprises. That’s where the service providers like Datamatics come in, where we can extend the usability of copilots into their organization. So those conversations have been very promising, and we’re hoping that, that would be strong.
Also, a lot of customers are looking at applications, which will natively have AI built into it. That is why we are upgrading FINATO, which is our CFO transformation platform and bringing in all the built-in features of automation, AI, and analytics into it, which makes a CFO back-office more modern and alive for the next about decade or so. So I think that’s — in short, that would be where we are seeing the AI opportunity.
Rahul L. Kanodia
And I think some of the investments that we made has been also recognized by Google and Microsoft, which is very good because when you have partners at that scale…
Amit Agicha
Absolutely.
Rahul L. Kanodia
— and those kinds of companies, they bring opportunities to you and then they present us very good avenues for growth.
Amit Agicha
Any color on the investments being made in that?
Rahul L. Kanodia
Yes. No, we are not tracking that very specifically for multiple reasons. So AI is permeating every part of the operations and every product and platform that we have. So we’ve got little, little things going across the board. So I — so therefore, if you just look at an AI layer per se, it’s difficult to identify exactly what is AI and what is not because a lot of the existing teams are also sort of pivoting into AI and then we’ve got a whole AI team also working on it. So I don’t have a number at the tip of my fingers, but perhaps we can collate that number and track it for the investors going forward, but I need to do some homework on that.
Amit Agicha
Okay. Thanks a lot. Wish you all the best for the future.
Rahul L. Kanodia
Thank you.
Mitul Mehta
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you very much. [Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Jatin from Choice Broking. Please go ahead.
Jatin
Hi, good evening to all. I just have one question. With recent acquisitions like Dextara Digital, what other areas or capabilities is Datamatics targeting for future acquisitions to enhance its product offering or geopolitical reach — geographical reach?
Rahul L. Kanodia
Yes. So we — Dextara was focused on Salesforce. And with them, we have showcased in the Salesforce event that was there in Washington, Seattle — no, in San Francisco recently. We brought in a lot of AI flavor to that, which was really appreciated by a lot of the customers. Our going-forward targets are around cloud, data, digital content. I think these would be and maybe customer experiences. We are talking to several companies in this spectrum. All of these areas, whether it’s digital experiences, digital content, cloud or data, will augment our existing business. So we’re not acquiring to get into a new space. We’re just going to use them as bolt-ons to our existing business to deepen the expertise and competence that we have. And of course, by default, when you acquire, you’ll get a bunch of new customers as well. So it will add to customers, it will add to our capabilities and depth. We are not looking at a geographical expansion or a new area that we are not present in.
Jatin
Okay. Thank you. Best of luck.
Rahul L. Kanodia
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you very much. [Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Sanjay, who is an Individual Investor. Please go ahead.
Sanjay
Yes, thank you for the opportunity to follow-up on my previous question. So sir, you mentioned about the Google partnership, I think — because the Copilot is already, I think, announced and it was — probably last quarter, it was there, which is a recent partnership with Google, and how is that going to help in getting the business?
Rahul L. Kanodia
Yes. So yes, it is a recent development. And Google is taking us to their customers, and they are coming along with us to our customers, so there’s a much stronger collaboration where we’re doing a joint go-to-market or they are bringing opportunities to the table. And as those opportunities materialize, we should see an uptick in the business that we get around Google’s AI, which is Gemini.
Sanjay
That’s great. So was there any announcement? Or are you planning to do an announcement?
Rahul L. Kanodia
We will make an announcement soon. It is very recent. We are still working on some of the press releases and things like that.
Mitul Mehta
Some paperwork is going, but we will make an announcement.
Sanjay
That’s really great update and now wishing you all the best.
Rahul L. Kanodia
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you very much. [Operator Instructions] As there are no further questions, I would now like to hand the conference over to the management for closing comments.
Rahul L. Kanodia
Thank you, everyone, for being on the call. I really appreciate the time you spent with us, and I wish you all a very happy Diwali once again and prosperous New Year. I look forward to speaking to you once again at the end of next quarter. Thank you, again, and bye for now.
Operator
[Operator Closing Remarks]