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CREDITACCESS GRAMEEN LIMITED (CREDITACC) Q3 2026 Earnings Call Transcript

CREDITACCESS GRAMEEN LIMITED (NSE: CREDITACC) Q3 2026 Earnings Call dated Jan. 20, 2026

Corporate Participants:

Ganesh NarayananManaging Director and Chief Executive Officer

Nilesh DalviChief Financial Officer

Analysts:

Deepak ShindeAnalyst

Shreya ShivaniAnalyst

Abhijit TibrewalAnalyst

Nidhesh JainAnalyst

Rajkumar VaidyanathanAnalyst

Rajiv MehtaAnalyst

Shreepal DoshiAnalyst

Renish BhuvaAnalyst

Jinmai NemaAnalyst

Unidentified Participant

Presentation:

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the CreditAccess Grameen Limited Q3 FY ’26 Earnings Conference Call hosted by HDFC Securities. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is being recorded.

I now hand the conference over to Mr. Deepak Shinde from HDFC Securities. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Deepak ShindeAnalyst

Good evening, everyone, and welcome to the Q3 FY ’26 Earnings Call of CreditAccess Grameen. Today, we have with us the senior management team of CreditAccess Grameen, represented by Mr. Ganesh Narayanan, Managing Director and Chief Executive Officer; Mr. Gururaj Rao, Chief Operating Officer; Mr. Nilesh Dalvi, Chief Financial Officer; and Mr. Sahib Sharma, DGM, Investor Relations. On behalf of HDFC Securities, I would like to thank the CreditAccess Grameen management team for giving us this opportunity to host the call.

I will now hand over the call to Mr. Ganesh Narayanan for his opening remarks, and then we will open up the floor for Q&A. Over to you, sir.

Ganesh NarayananManaging Director and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Deepak. Just checking if it’s audible for everybody once again. I’ll go ahead.

Deepak ShindeAnalyst

Yes, sir, you are audible. You may proceed, sir.

Ganesh NarayananManaging Director and Chief Executive Officer

Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you all for joining the call today. Let me start by wishing you all a very happy and prosperous and fulfilling new year. Today, we are here to discuss our third quarter and the first nine months of FY ’26 business performance. Our performance this quarter reaffirms the strength and stability of our business model. We are witnessing a very clear normalization in the asset quality trends across operating geographies, enabling renewed focus on growth. Our X bucket collection efficiency stood at 99.71% in December ’25, while monthly PAR 15 accretion declined sharply to 18 basis points in December ’25 from 47 basis points in September ’25.

Jan ’26 continues to show similar trends. The improvement is visible across our operating geographies with Karnataka showing a notable recovery with asset quality reverting to its historical levels, supported by tighter credit oversight. The disbursements for Q3 FY ’26 stood at INR5,767 crores, increasing by 13.4% Y-o-Y with the exit month December crossing INR2,200 crores mark. As a result, we’ve seen sequential portfolio growth of 2.6% to INR26,566 crores and 3.3% Q-o-Q adjusted for accelerated write-offs at INR181 crores. Borrower acquisition remains central to our growth strategy as we added 2.1 lakh borrowers in Q3 FY ’26 and 6.4 lakh during the nine-month FY ’26 period, of which 50% came outside of the top three states.

While October 2025 saw a temporary run in business momentum due to festive seasonality, the momentum accelerated meaningfully thereafter with December ’25 recording 90,000 new borrower additions. We continue to maintain a healthy new-to-credit ratio of 39%, which is reflected in the increase in the share of unique borrowers to 43.4% in December ’25 from 26.4% in August ’24, positioning us well for quality growth ahead. We added 15 branches in the quarter, taking our infrastructure to 2,222 branches. The retail finance portfolio continued to scale steadily with its share now at 14.1% of AUM at the end of third quarter versus 11.1% in the second quarter, reflecting structural progress. While part of the increase is optically driven by slower normalization in the group lending book, importantly, the expansion is driven by a shift of quality vintage customers towards individual business loans to meet their growing credit need.

Our employee base remained firm quarter-on-quarter at 21,701 employees at the end of December ’25 and employee attrition moderating to 30.2% in the nine months FY ’26 versus 35.2% in nine months FY ’25. As indicated in Slide 10 of the investor presentation, the deleveraging trend has largely played out with MFIN guardrails in place over the last six quarters. The GLP of borrowers with greater than three lenders nearly stood at 4.9% in December ’25 versus 25.3% in August ’24, while the GLP of borrowers with greater than 2 lakh unsecured indebtedness stood at 7.8% as of September ’25 compared to 19.5% in August ’24. The average total unsecured debt of CA Grameen borrowers and the average monthly obligation have increased by 3% quarter-on-quarter. PAR 15 plus in case of borrowers with greater than three lenders stood at 20.4% as of mid-December versus 19.5% in mid-September.

While PAR 15 plus with borrowers greater than 2 lakh indebtedness came down to 6.9% in mid-December from 9.7% in mid-September. The implementation of MFIN guardrails has meaningfully strengthened the overall quality of the microfinance ecosystem. As visible in Slide 11, PAR bucket 0 to 30, 30 to 60, 60 to 90 having clearly improved on a sequential basis, led by lower new PAR accretion, while PAR 90 witnessed forward flows in Q3 FY ’26. We wrote off INR259 crores worth of loans in Q3, which includes INR181 crores of accelerated write-offs pertaining to 180 DPD nonpaying accounts, leading to additional credit cost of INR59 crores in Q3 FY ’26. The credit cost for Q3 FY ’26 stood at INR343 crores, which includes INR59 crores due to accelerated write-off and INR37 crores due to additional impact due to increase in ECL rates.

The provisioning rates for the past quarters are stated in Slide 12, helping quantifying the increase in various stages. Excluding the impact of ECL provisioning rates and accelerated write-off, credit cost non-annualized stood at 96 bps for Q3 FY ’26. This is in line with our new PAR 15 plus accretion of 109 basis points during Q3 FY ’26. Our FY ’27 credit cost guidance of 4% to 4.5% reflects a new PAR 15 accretion rate of 30, 35 basis points per month. If we are able to demonstrate a monthly PAR 15 plus accretion rate of 20 to 25 bps, it would translate in lower credit costs in the future.

We shall monitor the monthly PAR trend for the next three to four months for revisiting our credit cost assumptions. We continue to hold 132 basis points or INR335 crores higher provisions over PAR 90 and 280 bps and INR733 crores higher provisions compared to IRAC prudential norms. Our collection efficiency, excluding arrears, stood at 95.5% in Q3 FY ’26. PAR 90 stood at 2.94%, GNPA of 4.04% and net NPA of 1.36%, both predominantly measured at 60 DPD. The operating profitability continues to gain strength, driven by improving yields and lower average cost of borrowings. We incurred a onetime impact worth INR18 crores on account of new labor codes pertaining to the employee benefit obligations.

It is important to note that the company actually moved towards this 50% salary levels, including DA and basic to meet this guidance proactively, leading to very little impact during this quarter. Net interest income grew 13.4% year-on-year to INR977 crores with portfolio yield of 21% versus 20.7% in Q2 FY ’26. Our average cost of borrowings continues to trend lower, reflecting disciplined liability management, having declined 26 basis points quarter-on-quarter to 9.4% at the end of Q3 FY ’26. In Q3 FY ’26, we raised INR3,917 crores with a marginal cost of borrowing, which stood at 8.9%.

Our foreign borrowings stood healthy at 24.3%, moving closer to the medium-term target of 25% to 30% by FY ’28 as we scale our business. We maintain ample liquidity at INR2,397 crores, amounting to 8.4% of our total assets. Our funding position remains strong with INR3,431 crores of sanctions in hand and INR5,781 crores sanctions in pipeline. NIM increased by 60 basis points quarter-on-quarter to 13.9% in Q3 FY ’26. Cost-to-income ratio stood at 34.1%, and adjusted figure at 32.3%, excluding the labor code impact. PPOP stood at INR680 crores in Q3 FY ’26, while adjusted figures stood at INR699 crores. PAT doubled quarter-on-quarter to INR252 crores, while adjusted figures stood at INR266 crores, translating to an ROA and ROE of 3.5% and 13.8%, respectively.

If the labor code impact is excluded, the ROA would have been 3.7% and ROE will be at 14.6%. We would also like to update you all on our Grameen Mahi, our customer at digital handle. With close to 1 million downloads, the platform is seeing strong adoption and reflects a meaningful shift in how our customers choose to engage with us. It enables instant digital loan eligibility checks for group loans, generates targeted reach for retail offerings and seamlessly integrates collections into a cashless ecosystem, playing a key role in achieving 20% digital collections at the end of December ’25. This also helps us build more trust and transparency amongst our customers.

With normalized asset quality, a stronger balance sheet and a motivated team, we are well positioned to achieve robust business growth and improving return ratios. Together, we are confident in nurturing business that consistently delivers returns, enhances stakeholder value and sets new benchmarks of excellence in our industry.

Thank you for listening. We’ll now open the forum for questions and answers. Thank you.

Questions and Answers:

Operator

Thank you very much. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Ladies and gentlemen, we will now wait for a moment while the question queue assembles. Our first question comes from the line of Shreya Shivani from Nomura. Please go ahead.

Shreya Shivani

Yeah. Hi. Good evening. Thank you for the opportunity. I had three questions. There are — congratulations on a great set of improvement numbers that we are seeing in the quarter. I was just wondering, while Karnataka and Tamil Nadu have done — the improvement has been quite good. Can you give some color about trends in Uttar Pradesh, Bihar and Madhya Pradesh compared to the April ’24 number that you had given us last year, they are still probably 15, 20 basis points higher currently. So anything that has — and what is the trend over there? That will be my first question.

My second question is on the state of Karnataka. While you guys have reported great numbers, etc., some of the non-MFI lenders commentary earlier this quarter or maybe even closer to December was that the credit discipline in Karnataka state, which got disturbed after the MFI ordinance came into place, which impacted our retail loans also is still not back. So I am quite surprised with the great improvement that we are seeing in Karnataka. Some comments around that would be helpful.

And my third question is that while you guys have done quite well on the cost of funds, there was a media article, and I can — I understand it may be more relevant for some other NBFC-MFIs, which did mention that the bank borrowings, the lines are drying up for many NBFC-MFIs. Even if the lines are available, they are coming at a significantly higher cost of funds. So if you can speak to us about the — any challenges or any areas that we are struggling with our bank borrowings or our bank relationships.

Those are my three questions. Thank you.

Ganesh Narayanan

Okay. Thank you, Shreya. With respect to trends in states like UP, Bihar, MP, all states, as demonstrated in our slides, are continuously coming down. But however, we have also earlier indicated that our noncore states generally have slightly higher credit cost than our core states, right? So I think this is just playing out. It’s just a matter of time. And we are consistently seeing that all states are trending downwards.

Nilesh Dalvi

Just to add, Shreya, since you referred to the earlier data for the states. So as I see April, May, June ’25, UP, Bihar was around — sorry?

Shreya Shivani

April ’24 data, which you used to give in last year, you had given those numbers, April ’24 data. So I was just comparing that.

Nilesh Dalvi

Yes. Okay. Okay. Fair enough. So I think we are very much close to it, but I mean, we have come out of a large cycle. So give us some more — maybe in the upcoming months, we should see this trend getting better.

Shreya Shivani

Sure. Okay.

Nilesh Dalvi

Yeah, but if I compare it on a Y-o-Y basis before the crisis, those numbers were around 40 bps to 50 bps in UP, Bihar and MP, which is now in the range of 25 bps to 30 bps.

Shreya Shivani

Yeah, Y-o-Y is quite good. With respect to April ’24, I felt there is still more improvement that is a possibility in these states, right?

Ganesh Narayanan

Yeah. So Karnataka spiked up faster. It’s come back faster also. So that has also been a behavior that we’ve seen because that’s a core state. Other states, I think all of them are trending downwards. It’s just a matter of time. We’ll have to see for the next three, four months where it settles down.

And with respect to credit discipline in Karnataka, I think we have strongly come back. We’ll have to watch the next two, three months. January is trending with a similar nature. And we are seeing such improvements across microfinance, mortgage as well as unsecured lending. Karnataka is coming back very, very strong to our normal levels. So it’s only a question of time if others are indicating that it has not come back to normalcy. Maybe a few more months, the rest of them would also come. You should appreciate that Karnataka is our home state and probably every 30 kilometers, we have a branch, and we’ve been here for the last 20 years. And probably we have a little more connect than the rest of them. But I think the industry would follow.

Shreya Shivani

Sure.

Ganesh Narayanan

The third point with respect to bank borrowing, I think when the industry is going through a credit cycle, it is natural of the banks to kind of pull off a little. But fortunately, some of us have never had this situation because our diversification strategy has a very important role to play here. I think we are very — one of the few NBFCs which has a bank term loan borrowing dependency of less than 60%. And we’ve been continuously able to access bank funds. It has not impacted us during the entire credit cycle, right? And we continue to access more funds as we move ahead.

Shreya Shivani

Sure. I think this is useful. For any follow-up questions, I’ll get back in the slide. Thank you so much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Abhijit Tibrewal from Motilal Oswal. Please go ahead.

Abhijit Tibrewal

Yeah. Good evening sir. Hope I’m audible.

Ganesh Narayanan

Yes, Abhijit.

Abhijit Tibrewal

Thank you, sir. Sir, first thing on the industry, most other players talk about a very high rejection rate today, especially after the implementation of MFIN guardrails. So if you could just help us understand how have our rejection rates trended over the last maybe two, three quarters? That is the first question that I had.

The second question that I had was that maybe next year onwards, maybe FY ’27 onwards, we’ll look to start growing at 20%, 21%, thereabouts. So within this, what will be the split of the growth that will come from MFI, and what growth can we expect from retail finance? Just trying to understand the way things are today very, very clearly, like you mentioned earlier, December, we saw very good improvement in PAR accretion and like you mentioned, continues in January as well. I’m hoping that gives you a lot of confidence to start accelerating on disbursements and growth. So which is where that question of how are you thinking about the split between MFI and retail finance, or does it still remain fungible in terms of growth?

And lastly, sir, I mean, you just mentioned about Karnataka came back very, very strongly. And like you rightly said, your home state as well. So I just had one observation and just wanted to pick your brains on this. Yourself as well as other few MFIs have been talking about very strong recovery in Karnataka collection efficiency. And the ones who are still not seeing improvement, can it be a little bit to do with the fact that MFIs have already written off a large part of the loans, which are problematic in nature and which is where on a zero DPD collection efficiency or expected collection efficiency is looking very good, while for some others, right, who have not written off, they still are facing problems in Karnataka?

Ganesh Narayanan

Yeah. Okay. So let me try and answer all the three. So I think the first and second are also slightly linked to each other. So rejection rates, definitely, yeah, they have gone up. Our current approval rates for new borrowers, so that is new borrower entering CA Grameen is around 55%, 60%. And our existing renewal rates are around 45%, 50%. Just for comparison, this used to be around 65% before the guardrails, right? So it has fallen significantly. That also means that you will have to put more effort on acquiring customers to maintain some amount of growth rate in microfinance. And yeah, since we are coming out of the cycle and another quarter of performance will give us the confidence to accelerate in the next year for sure.

However, as we had indicated in our medium-term goal, the growth rate of microfinance would be lingering early teens and the rest of the growth will come from retail, right? And we are also seeing that retail, we are actually outperforming our guidance a little bit. We are growing a little more faster than what we anticipated. So it’s possible that retail will have a little more share than what we anticipated in the growth trajectory. But that’s something that we will see over the next few quarters, I think.

And with respect to Karnataka, what was the question?

Nilesh Dalvi

I’ll just add it. So Abhijit, on Karnataka, you are saying that there are other players who have not done write-off. That’s why the collections are looking lower. I believe that was your question.

Abhijit Tibrewal

Yeah, yeah, so all I was just trying to understand is, I mean, there are today players who are there in predominantly the small ticket LAP segment, who still talk about weakness in Karnataka. While if I look at us and a few other players who are present in MFI segment, they have been talking about Karnataka having come back in a big way. Can it so happen that a lot of the problematic pool for us in Karnataka has already been written off. So on an X bucket basis, collections are indeed looking good, while for some others, right, because the problem pool is still there, they’re still not able to see that recovery?

Ganesh Narayanan

I get your question, but I think you may also have to see what is the new PAR addition there again, I’m not sure. I don’t have the data right now. For us, like I said, across retail, including mortgage as well as unsecured business loans, Karnataka is showing a sharp reversal. So like I said, it’s taking time for some people, probably it’s just a matter of time. But it does look like at ground, things are coming back to normalcy.

Abhijit Tibrewal

Got it, sir. And just one last clarification on your opening remarks. You had shared that this FY ’27 credit cost guidance of 4% to 4.5% is factoring in monthly PAR accretion of about 30, 35 basis points. In case, like you mentioned if the PAR accretion is lower than that, then there are downside risks, right, to this credit cost guidance. This is all I wanted to…

Ganesh Narayanan

Yeah. So it’s possible. So we’ll need to watch it for a few more months. And probably by — along with May, we will try and come back with a more clearer guidance. So it’s too early. So it held good in Jan, Feb — sorry, December and Jan. We’ll have to watch it for a few more months to ensure that the pattern is stable, and it is going to remain that. It looks like that, but we’ll have to come back with some guidance in May.

Abhijit Tibrewal

Got it. This is useful. Thank you very much, and I wish you and your team the very best.

Ganesh Narayanan

Thank you, Abhijit.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Nidhesh from Investec. Please go ahead.

Nidhesh Jain

Thanks for the opportunity, sir. Sir, on the retail finance, can you give some more details on the portfolio…

Operator

Nidhesh, sorry to interrupt, but your volume is very low. I request you to please come closer to the mic.

Nidhesh Jain

Yeah. Hello, sir. So my question is on retail finance. Can you give some more color on retail finance that how much of the book is secured, and how much is unsecured? And we have seen very strong growth in this business. If you can also share some data about client profile, how much is unique to CREDAG and what is the total, let’s say, sector outstanding on those customers, etc.?

Ganesh Narayanan

Sure. So the retail finance portfolio today roughly comprises of around INR3,780 crores, of which we have two types of unsecured loans extended to customers, graduating customers. One book is our product called Unnati loan, which is profile of customers are significantly higher income earning. They are able to demonstrate better cash flow. We are able to visibly see proper business premises, the scale and size, etc. So that book is around INR1,700 crores. We also have a lighter version of the individual lending product, which is INR1,600 crores.

They could have higher income, but if we have certain difficulties in ensuring that it is demonstratable or the size of the income is not clear, or it’s not visible to the level that the customer is saying, we graduate them to a slightly lower ticket size. So that is around INR1,600 crores. So both these books put together is around INR3,300 crores. Both these books, PAR 30 is well under control, under 2% as we speak. We have INR266 crores of mortgage business loans. We have a home loan book of roughly around INR200 crores and a two-wheeler book of around INR13 crores. So in secured loans, we are at a PAR 30 lower than 2% once again, right? So these books, while they are new, they have done around two, three years with this, they’re holding good so far, yeah.

Nidhesh Jain

Sure. So secured portfolio will be around INR500-odd crores?

Ganesh Narayanan

Yeah, it’s INR500 crores.

Nidhesh Jain

And secondly, can you give some guidance on the margins? I think margins should keep on improving. What is the trajectory that you foresee for next year in terms of margins?

Nilesh Dalvi

Yes. So Nidhesh, we should see some improvement in margins because even as you saw in third quarter, the NIMs have improved because of — I mean, there has been around 30 bps improvement in yield on account of lower interest reversals and the cost of borrowing is down by 20 bps. So maybe for next year, we should see the NIMs anywhere between maybe 14%, 14.5% in that rate — in that range for some time because borrowing cost incrementally, we do see dropping by 10 bps every quarter for at least next two to three quarters, then it should settle down.

And also one thing we need to understand is the current NIM profile is basis the current credit cost trend what we are seeing because we had taken a pricing increase in third quarter basis the current credit cost trend. So maybe going forward, if we are able to see a relatively lower credit cost trend, then obviously, it will translate into a lower pricing benefit to the customer. So from that perspective, we will try to maintain our ROAs in 4%, 4.5% range. And NIMs will vary depending upon how the underlying risk is shaping up. But as of now, considering the current trend, we believe NIM should be around 14% range for some time. And then they may again revert basis a change in pricing.

Rajkumar Vaidyanathan

Understood.

Abhijit Tibrewal

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Rajiv Mehta from Yes Securities. Please go ahead.

Rajiv Mehta

Yeah. Hi, good evening. Congrats on very strong performance. Sir, my first question is on the new customer acquisition. That count is slightly even lower than Q2 and the industry has been continuously deleveraging. So when do we see this new customer acquisition picking up for us? Because eventually, that number has to go up and keep growing for us to even grow higher in the JLG model? Because, I mean, as we see that the ticket sizes of the portfolio is increasing largely because of bulk of the growth coming from the renewals of existing customers. But eventually, in the longer run, this lever has to pick up of new customer acquisition. So what is the outlook on that?

Ganesh Narayanan

Okay. So I think new customer acquisition will pick up traction in Q4 itself. So we believe we should see some significant improvement as we move ahead because you have cleared historical PAR now and the field level sentiments are a lot more positive now and people have more time to do new business. There are specific efforts that are targeted towards increasing these numbers. And I think in Q4 itself, we should be able to demonstrate that the run rate is picking up.

Rajiv Mehta

And can you segregate December disbursement number? And can we further build on that number as a run rate in Q4?

Ganesh Narayanan

Yes. So we did INR2,200 crores in December. And we should hopefully do slightly better in Q3 — sorry, in Q4 because Q4 generally comes with our best performance. So we will try and see if we can meet our historical Q4 numbers similar to those.

Rajiv Mehta

Okay. And just last thing on the credit cost. So this quarter’s credit cost did have some impact because of higher ECL provisioning rate, which I believe will remain. But you also had some balance or residual accelerated write-off of INR187 crores, which will not repeat in Q4, right? So that impact will not be there in Q4?

Ganesh Narayanan

Yes. So we did accelerate write-off only in October. So it stopped from there, right? So we’re not anticipating anything in Q4. However, we’ll have–

Abhijit Tibrewal

Yes. Then the implied write-off for November, December, would that be the normal write-off run rate now?

Ganesh Narayanan

Yes. So we should see probably Q4 will have similar credit cost as that of Q3. And it may take some more time to see where it stabilizes around.

Nilesh Dalvi

Yes. So Rajiv, maybe I’ll add a couple of points here. So largely, whatever new delinquencies, which came up in the first quarter, that is the month of April, May, June, those delinquencies will come for write-off in the fourth quarter because we do the write-off after nine months. So you may get some indicative trend. It may be in line with whatever new PAR — I mean, the new PAR, which came out in the Q1, maybe 70%, 80% of that may come for a write-off in fourth quarter. But I mean, anyways, we have 70% provisions on that. So the residual will come to the P&L.

And yes, on the ECL front, maybe we should see — as we had indicated in the second quarter call, we should see the Stage 1 provisioning inch up closer to 1.5%. So that should happen in fourth quarter.

Rajiv Mehta

Got it. Perfect. Thank you so much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Shreepal Doshi from Equirus. Please go ahead.

Shreepal Doshi

Hi sir. Thank you for giving me the opportunity. My question was on the retail portfolio.

Operator

Sorry to interrupt, Shreepal, but your line is not clear in between.

Shreepal Doshi

Yeah. Am I audible now?

Operator

Yes, you’re audible. Please go ahead.

Shreepal Doshi

Yes. So sir, my question was on the retail portfolio. So that portfolio is quite diverse in terms of the product bouquet. So what is the kind of, let’s say, the DuPont in terms of margins and credit cost and ROA on a BAU basis that we are trying to sort of reach to over the next two to three years’ time period?

Ganesh Narayanan

Okay. So I think we’ve discussed this earlier, Shreepal. Thank you for the question. So most of these products are very close to the pricing of microfinance, right? So except for housing, where the average interest rate is around 16.7%. And mortgage is anywhere north of 21%, similarly two-wheeler. So all of them should have similar margins as that of microfinance. But as we discussed, over a period of time, it will actually be a little more contributing once it reaches a certain amount of scale, and we are able to kind of see the benefit of opex straightening.

Rajiv Mehta

Got it. Got it. Got it. I’ll just look at that aspect in the call. Just the other question was on the microfinance side. So what is the range of ticket size disbursement that we are doing for more than six years and three to six years customer vintage?

Ganesh Narayanan

It starts anywhere from 25,000, 35,000 depending on geography, and it can go all the way up till 1.75 lakhs depending on the vintage of the customer and the credit history.

Rajiv Mehta

Got it. I have more questions. I’ll come in the queue. Thank you so much.

Ganesh Narayanan

Yeah. But I would also like to add customers with greater than 1 lakh outstanding is less than — it’s almost in a single-digit percentage. It is generally not that high.

Shreepal Doshi

So more than 1 lakh ticket size customers would be, as you said–

Ganesh Narayanan

Yes, more than 1 lakh. Yes, yes. So it would be under 10% max.

Shreepal Doshi

Got it. Got it, sir. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Chintan Shah from ICICI Securities. Please go ahead.

Renish Bhuva

Yeah. Hi, sir. This is Renish here. Congrats on a great set of numbers. Sir, just two things. So one on the credit cost side, right? So if I refer to slide number 12, our credit cost adjusted for accelerated write-off and higher ECL provisioning is [0:33:43] 0.96%, right? So very close to 4%, which we have been guiding for FY27, right, earlier. But this is again, I’m assuming this will be more because of the higher delinquency in October, November, and December credit cost ideally should have been much lower. I mean that’s what our PAR 15 accretion trend suggest. So in that case, our FY ’27 credit cost ideally should be lower than what you have guided for, right?

Ganesh Narayanan

Yes. So that’s what we want it to be, Renish. But I’m just saying it’s too early. It’s just December, January, we’ve seen. We’ll have to maintain the trend. So if we are able to maintain the trend in Feb, March, April, we’ll come back with a better guidance in May, right? So it gives us a few more months of visibility to ensure that we are trending on the right direction. But it does look like there is a possibility that it can be lower than that at this point of time.

Renish Bhuva

Okay. Got it. So it is fair to assume that at least the January first half trend is as good as December?

Ganesh Narayanan

Yes, it is as good as December.

Renish Bhuva

Got it. Got it. And lastly, again, on the AUM growth side. So obviously, Q4 should be our strongest quarter. And in this quarter as well, we have seen book growth, right, versus the book decline in the last two, three quarters. So what is the aspiration level for us in ’27? And if you have to break that into, let’s say, JLD versus non-JLD, what are our internal plans in terms of AUM mix and AUM growth for FY27?

Ganesh Narayanan

Okay. So like I said, when we look at microfinance growth, early days, maybe 10%, 11%, 12%, so we’ll have to finalize our business plans in a few months from now. But it does look like retail will have a stronger growth momentum, probably contributing. So we should be able to reach something over 20% that we want to grow to meet our medium-term goals. So that’s something that we are working on. It will be a good mix of both retail and microfinance, but microfinance will be lower compared to historical levels for sure.

Renish Bhuva

Got it. And may I ask one last question, if possible?

Ganesh Narayanan

Yes, sir.

Renish Bhuva

Yes. So again, on this retail finance slide, right? So I was just looking at the outstanding per borrower, which is steadily coming down, right? I mean it fell also by 40%, 50% to INR92,000-odd versus INR168,000 earlier. So just wanted to understand what has been changed in last three, four quarters, which is leading to this steep fall in the outstanding per borrower in the retail finance?

Ganesh Narayanan

Right. So it’s basically because of the second variant that I spoke about, which is called Vishesh individual loans, where we are seeing that the income has gone up beyond INR3 lakhs. But we are not seeing the level of demonstrability of the income by the customer. So that means we look at size of business, we look at cash flows, we look at whether we are able to see cash flows in bank statements.

So we underwrite about INR3 lakhs in individual loans, but a smaller ticket size. So average there is around INR80,000 because of which your average ticket size has fallen. Otherwise if you see our main graduation product, which is Unnati, the average ticket size is still around 1.7 lakhs. And mortgage loans average ticket size is around 6.5 lakhs, 7 lakhs.

Renish Bhuva

Okay. Got it. So basically, you are highlighting that incremental growth in retail finance is actually coming from JLG customer, but for all regulatory purposes–

Ganesh Narayanan

Yes. So around 10% of our customers every year will move or graduate into retail finance is our estimation at this point of time.

Renish Bhuva

But in that graduated customer, the ticket size will be higher, no?

Ganesh Narayanan

Yes. There are two types of graduation. One is where there is clear demonstrability of the customer with respect to their cash flows. Business has to be visible, has to be a certain size. The living standards should be certain — of certain categories. There are a few other credit parameters that are important where you underwrite a larger ticket size. If some of these are not available, but we still see the income is greater than INR3 lakhs, then that’s a smaller ticket size. So we do graduate them, but with a smaller ticket size loan, that’s the reason.

Renish Bhuva

Got it. But then in that case, the customer will stay strong in center meeting or I mean, how you will treat that customer…

Ganesh Narayanan

For individual unsecured products, the customers have access to the center meeting as a payment point but they are not a part of the JD structure.

Renish Bhuva

Got it. So basically you will move out from the JNT part.

Ganesh Narayanan

Hello. sorry.

Nilesh Dalvi

Yes. So Renish, what we assess is basis the customer profile, maybe every year around 4% to 5% customers may move into the mid-ticket individual loan, which is the Vishesh Loan, and maybe 2% to 3% moves into the high ticket Unnati Loan bucket. So we should see that 5% to 6% or 5% to 7% transition happening from JLG to retail. So that’s where the balance 10% to 12% growth comes from retail and overall, we cross 20% growth. So that’s the scheme of things.

Renish Bhuva

And I’m assuming interest rate will be about 20%.

Nilesh Dalvi

Yes, it will be.

Renish Bhuva

Got it. Okay, cool. Okay. Thank you, and best of luck, sir.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Manav Bhavan Shah from Spiral Consultancy. Please go ahead. Manav, your line has been unmuted. You may proceed with your question. As we’re not receiving a response from the current participant we will move to the next participant. Our next question is from the line of Jinmai Nema from Prescient Capital. Please go ahead.

Jinmai Nema

Sir, just wanted to confirm, firstly, did I hear correctly the growth target for FY ’27 would be 20%?

Ganesh Narayanan

HI, sir. Good evening. SSo like I said, maybe we will give some more clearer guidance in May. However, we need to do at least a 20% growth every year to reach our medium-term goal. And hence, things getting to normalcy, we believe that even next year, we should be able to, but we’ll have to come back with a confirmed guidance in May.

Jinmai Nema

Understood. And secondly, sir, I just wanted to understand, if I look at the quarter-on-quarter trend in PAR 90 plus, so while 0 to 90 has come down quarter-on-quarter, there has been some stickiness in 90-plus. So basically, how should one interpret this increase in slippages in Q3?

Ganesh Narayanan

Okay. So basically, it means that customers who are going to Stage 2 and Stage 3, that flow forward rate has more or less remained the same, right? So however, the new PAR accretion is reducing, hence, what will flow forward — going forward will also reduce. I hope I answered your question, right? So new PAR accretion rate is important to note because even if you see our PAR 15, we provide quite heavily after PAR 15, right? So that is basis a historic experience that once the customer does not pay for 15 days, then it does move to the next stage predominantly.

That’s why you provide around 60%, 65% in that case, right? So that means that so far, PAR accretion rate was also quite high. So all those things are moving forward. But the new PAR accretion for the last two months is quite stabilizing. So that means going forward, it will stabilize. And that is what we’ve tried to show in the second graph in the PAR sheet. You will see that the early buckets have started dropping. So hence, going forward, you will also see drop in the late buckets.

Jinmai Nema

Got it. Got it. Thank you.

Operator

[0:41:01] Thank you. The next question is from the line of Jai from NBIE. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Participant

Hello, sir. Thank you for the opportunity, and congrats on the good set of numbers. So just one, one question on the retail book. So can you just help me. What is the percentage of your loans coming from tier — coming from below Tier 3 cities.

Ganesh Narayanan

Tier 2, Tier 3. Predominant [Indecipherable] because we are doing business only in our catchment, right? So we are not in any Tier 1, Tier 2. We are not even present much in [Indecipherable] [0:43:13] headquarters. So we’ll be even below that. So most of our business will be in Tier 3, probably some bit in Tier 2 and lesser.

Nilesh Dalvi

Okay. And so one more follow-up on the same. So where do we see retail finance going? So currently we are at 14%. So do we see somewhere around 16% to 18% in the medium term or this is where you would like to be.

Ganesh Narayanan

See at the current growth rate it does look like that. But then like I said earlier, it is also looking at looking at 14% now because your micromanage book has dropped. So once you start showing my finance growth moderate a little but like I said we had guided around 15% for ’28 but I think we will inch up a little further to that is what we believe.

Unidentified Participant

Okay, thank you. Thank you so much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Rajkumar Vaidyanathan from RK Invest. Please go ahead.

Rajiv Mehta

Hello. Can you hear me?

Operator

Yes, sir. You are audible. You may proceed.

Rajkumar Vaidyanathan

Sir, just a couple of questions. First one is on the ROA guidance of 4% to 4.5% that you mentioned. That is the annualized ROA we are looking at for FY27, or it’s going to be more an exit ROA?

Ganesh Narayanan

Yes. So we are talking about annualized guidance for next year should be — sorry. So the indicator is somewhere around that. So we will come back with guidance in May is what we are seeing. But at least it looks like a stable period of credit cost stabilizing. Our normal guidance is also that we will be in that range, right? So with no extraordinary event present, we should be in similar range, but we will have to come back to you in May.

Rajkumar Vaidyanathan

Yes. Sir, but you had already done 3.8% in current quarter. So your guidance looks very conservative given that you will not be having a significant credit cost going forward. So is it fair to assume that it’s a conservative number? Or you want to kind of grow your volume rather than the ROA in the absolute–

Ganesh Narayanan

So it’s not like that like what Nilesh answered. We want — am I audible?

Nilesh Dalvi

Yeah.

Ganesh Narayanan

Okay. So what we are saying is that our principle is that our ROA will be around 4.5%, right? So hence, even though there’s an opportunity, there could be a momentary increase for a quarter or two more than the estimated return. But if you’re actually making more returns, we would moderate our pricing is what we are saying, right? So you should assume that, as a company, we’ll be in the range of around 4.5% ROA even in a good time.

Rajkumar Vaidyanathan

Okay. Yes, sorry to labor on the same question. So my question is you want to have kind of fix the ROA between 4% to 4.5% but then have a larger volume. Is that the preference you would want, or you would still shoot for a higher ROA?

Ganesh Narayanan

I didn’t understand the question. Can you just help me understand this a little more?

Rajkumar Vaidyanathan

No, no. I’m asking the question is you want to improve the absolute bottom line number, higher bottom line number, but however, maintain ROA of 4% to 4.5%. You don’t want the ROA number to go up significantly.

Nilesh Dalvi

See, Rajkumar, the way we are looking at it is that if you see historically, we have done a cross-cycle ROA of 3.5% and ROE of around 14%, 15%. So going forward with a better ability to price the risk, we would want to do a cross-cycle ROA of 4% and ROE of around 16%, 17% on a cross cycle. Maybe in a good year, it may cross 4.5% and ROEs may inch closer to 20%. And in a bad year, like what we have seen in this year and the previous year, it may be in the range of around 2%, 2.5%. So if the ROAs cross a certain range, like, for example, you may see a couple of quarters wherein it reaches closer to 5%, then obviously, we have to revisit our pricing because at any point in time, we always ensure that we give the best pricing to our customers.

So from that perspective, pricing is always a derivative of our credit cost, operating cost and borrowing cost. So that is what it will keep overing. Now growth is a different parameter. We have already defined that we will be looking for 20%-plus growth. So both the parameters will go hand in hand. And yes, I mean, it will — as of now, we have not reached a stage wherein we have to cut pricing to do higher growth because the segment where we are operating, there’s already a lot of — there’s a lot of scope to provide a formal source of credit. So we do see there is good potential for growth with whilst maintaining our margins and profitability.

Rajkumar Vaidyanathan

Okay. Thank you so much. Sir, if you permit me, can I ask one more question?

Nilesh Dalvi

Please go ahead. Yes. Sir, this question is on the unique customers that you added. You have added significant customer. That’s what the presentation states. So my question is what is — what would be the age profile of those customers? Are they all very young customers, or they are middle-age people? Because the reason for asking this question is if they are really unique — I mean, new to credit, then there should be really young people, right?

Ganesh Narayanan

Yes, I understand. But unfortunately, I don’t have this data in hand. We’ll share it across with you. Yeah. Okay. Thank you so much. [Operator Instructions] Ladies and gentlemen, we have no further questions at this time. I would now like to hand the conference over to the management for closing comments. Over to you, gentlemen. Thank you. Thank you, Deepak. Thank you all for being a part of this discussion, and we are hopeful of closing Q4 once again with a strong performance and move towards a good normal year next year. And we’ll see you in the next semester. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you all for being a part of this discussion. And we are hopeful of closing Q4 once again with a strong performance and move towards good normal year next year. And we’ll see you in the next December. Thank you so much.

Operator

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