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Chalet Hotels Ltd (CHALET) Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Chalet Hotels Ltd (NSE: CHALET) Q2 2025 Earnings Call dated Oct. 25, 2024

Corporate Participants:

Sanjay SethiChief Executive Officer and Managing Director

Nitin KhannaChief Financial Officer

Analysts:

Vikas AhujaAnalyst

Karan KhannaAnalyst

Raghav MalikAnalyst

Adhidev ChattopadhyayAnalyst

Prashant BiyaniAnalyst

Jinesh JoshiAnalyst

Aman GoyalAnalyst

Pradyumna ChoudharyAnalyst

Presentation:

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the Chalet Hotels Limited Q2 FY ’25 Earnings Conference Call. This conference call may contain forward-looking statements about the Company, which are based on the beliefs, opinions and expectations of the Company as on date of this call. These statements are not the guarantees of future performance and involve risks and uncertainties that are difficult to predict. [Operator Instructions]

I now hand the conference over to Mr. Sanjay Sethi, MD and CEO, Chalet Hotels Limited. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Sanjay SethiChief Executive Officer and Managing Director

[Technical Issues] joining us today for the earnings call on the performance for Chalet Hotels Limited Q2 FY ’25 results.

To begin with, the Indian hospitality sector seems to be doing well and bounced back this quarter to demonstrate strong performances. It’s been driven by overall positive environment supporting travel. From a macroeconomic perspective, India is navigating a mixed environment. The IMF predicts steady growth and inflation remains relatively under control, though challenges like global geopolitical uncertainty continue to persist. During Q2 FY ’25, we’ve been able to demonstrate continued growth across key metrices when compared to the same period last year.

Consolidated revenue of the Company increased by a healthy 20%. EBITDA also saw 20% rise from Q2 of FY ’24. Within the hospitality segment, our revenue grew by 18% accompanied by a similar increase in the segment EBITDA. Our portfolio occupancy stood at 73.6%, up 40 bps, with the average room rate showing a 10% improvement over Q2 FY ’24, contributing to a year-on-year growth in RevPAR of 10.3%. On a like-to-like basis, the portfolio RevPAR is up by 12%.

Within the portfolio, Hyderabad led the occupancy improvement, Bangalore followed by Hyderabad led the pack on the room rate growth. For the rental and annuity portfolio, we clocked a revenue of INR419 million, a growth of 39% on the same period last year, an 18% improvement on the previous quarter. The residential real estate segment continued robust sales with strong rates per square foot. We have sold 32 apartments flats in this quarter, and I’m happy to share that we started clocking a new high rate of over INR21,000 per square foot. Nitin will later on share some more details on this.

On the leasing front, we have picked up pace and the quarter — in the last quarter with over 2 lakh square foot of LOS being executed. We are confident of our target of achieving majority leasing by end of this financial year. We continue to grow our portfolio, and I’m extremely happy to share that we have hit another strategic milestone with the acquisition of an 11-acre beachfront land parcel in Varca, Goa. The resort is expected to open in approximately three years from now and will feature around 170 keys. The resort will be positioned at the higher end of the pyramid and likely to be an upper upscale resort.

Some updates on the ongoing projects. I’m afraid there’s been a little bit of a delay on the opening of the — or rather the full opening of the renovated and upgraded Dukes Retreat by a quarter. We expect to launch it in its new avatar by end of the financial year. However, graded opening of hotel rooms is already happening on every month. And currently, we have 37 rooms, a restaurant, a bar and a swimming pool in operation. The Taj at the T3 Terminal in Delhi International Airport, which was scheduled to open by end of FY ’26, is now delayed and expected to open potentially by June of 2026. On the other projects, the work on the new hotel in Airoli, the Cignus 2 and Powai and the additional rooms in Bangalore, they are all on track.

In Q2 FY ’25, we have commenced the renovation of Four Points by Sheraton Navi Mumbai and 35 rooms have been taken out for the upgrade that we are doing, and therefore, they are out of action for this quarter. Completion of this upgradation is set for July 2025. I’m delighted to share that Chalet Hotels won the KPMG ESG Excellence Award 2024 in the midscale small-cap companies and has also retained the spot as the Best Workplaces for Women 2024 in our category of companies in India. Overall, ladies and gentlemen, we’re expecting a robust H2 driven by domestic and international corporate travel, MICE, and the wedding segment. We also expect the leasing base sale of residential units and gradual increase in inventory at The Dukes Retreat and a Bengaluru Marriott Whitefield to assist the subsequent quarters.

I will now hand over to Nitin Khanna, our CFO, to take you through the financial updates with some finer details. Thank you.

Nitin KhannaChief Financial Officer

Thank you, Sanjay. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to another quarter’s call as we continue the streak of historically best performances. This is one of the historically best performances for quarter two. On the financial updates, hospitality, in the hospitality segment, ADRs have had a double-digit growth at 10%, with stable occupancy at 74%. The resultant RevPAR was at INR7,756, with a growth of 10%. Excluding the newly acquired hotel at Airoli and The Dukes Retreat, which is under full renovation, on a same-store basis, the occupancy expanded by 200 bps and RevPAR grew by 12%.

It will be pertinent to note that the total room nights sold were higher by 7% during the same period. Hospitality revenue for the quarter was INR3.4 billion, a growth of 18%, led by a combination of rate growth, inventory additions and a healthy F&B growth. EBITDA for the segment came at INR1.4 billion with a growth of 18%. And we maintained margins at 41.4% within the quarter, led by prudent cost management. It would be pertinent to note that on a same-store basis, margins improved to 43.4%, which is an expansion of 200 bps. As we continue to add more hotels and diversify the positioning and segments, our margins for various quarters may see a marginal shift accommodating the seasonalities of the respective micro markets and segments. On the annuity business — on the rental and annuity front, our revenue for the quarter was at INR419 million with an EBITDA of INR323 million. And plus, we are already seeing flow-throughs improving. On the residential, Koramangala, on the updates on residential projects, we have sold 32 new units during the quarter, commanding an average rate of INR21,835 per square feet.

This is again higher by about INR300 from the previous quarter. In all the 253 units — sorry, the 253 units have been sold out of 321 units, that is 80% sales have been achieved. Overall collections during H1 was INR2.4 billion, and we have outstanding receivables of INR3.4 billion as of September 30. From a consol perspective, the consolidated revenue for the quarter was INR3.8 billion, a growth of 20% year-on-year. Consolidated EBITDA was at INR1.6 billion with a growth of 20% and a margin of 40.6% for the quarter. Consolidated PBT for the quarter was at INR0.8 billion versus INR0.4 billion in the same quarter last year.

Just to touch and update on the DTA. The recent Finance Act withdrew the indexation benefit on long-term capital gains tax. And as a result, the Company reversed its deferred tax assets to the tune of INR2 billion within the quarter under discussion, which had one-time noncash impact. This has resulted in a negative PAT of INR1.4 billion for the quarter. Without this impact, the PAT has grown 75% on year-on-year basis. On the debt part, during the year-to-date, the Company has spent about INR4.1 billion on capex and land acquisitions, which was majorly met out of internal accruals. The net debt as on 30th September ’24 was at INR16.6 billion, which has been pretty much stable. We closed the quarter with an average cost of finance standing at 8.52%, a reduction of 35 bps from March ’24.

I’m happy to further add that within the quarter, Chalet has received ratings upgrade from India Ratings, which moved from A minus to AA and from ICRA, which moved from A to A plus. We have also received a new rating from CRISIL of AA minus. The Company has been actively investing in its growth and has a capex plan of around INR15 billion for the next six quarters for the announced projects. These will be largely funded through internal accruals. We will continue on our growth trajectory and our balance sheet is in a very comfortable position to support further strategic growth opportunities.

With this, let me open the floor for Q&A.

Questions and Answers:

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] The first question is from the line of Vikas from Antique Stockbroking. Please go ahead.

Vikas Ahuja

Hi, hi, good morning. Thank you for taking my question. Sir, my first question is, in the opening remark, we said that H2 is going to be robust. So is it fair to assume that in terms of ADR Y-on-Y growth, we mean better than Q2 or at least double-digit for second half?

Sanjay Sethi

Hi, Vikas, thank you for your question. As you know, we don’t give forward-looking numbers, but you’ll also know that the H2 typically in our industry is significantly better than H1. We expect that credit — that sort of trend to continue. But it looks like we are good for decent Q3 and Q4.

Vikas Ahuja

Okay. So I was just checking on Y-on-Y terms. So — okay, that’s fair. Secondly, if I refer to the industry reports, which have come in past, a couple of months, Mumbai has seen a strong double-digit growth. But I’m surprised to see we have reported 7% growth in Mumbai in terms of ADR, especially when we started very strong in July. Can you please help us understand that?

Sanjay Sethi

Sure. So look, I know — I haven’t seen the reports that you are referring to. But I think Mumbai, for us, has reported a 7% growth in ADR, which is a healthy growth given that we were trying to stabilize the Powai Hotel. We’ve also had new supply that’s come into the Navi Mumbai market. So to some extent, there is slightly stronger competitive environment in the Navi Mumbai. Of course, the Navi Mumbai Hotel of ours is not a very large hotel. It’s only 150 [Phonetic] rooms. So the impact will be — in the overall scheme will be that much lower. But I think a 7% growth in a quarter where we had extreme weather conditions, including flooding, where we saw softening up of September.

In fact, the September first 20 days were pretty weak. And while September numbers are not really out from the consultants, I think if we see that, we saw a bit of a disappointing September that went by. However, the last 10 days of September picked up very, very aggressively, and we were able to sort of do — close the month reasonably well. In terms of the numbers of growth, I think we’ve had a balanced growth between JW Sahar and Westin Powai in terms of rates. Powai has also improved occupancies. Marriott executive apartment hasn’t had a growth on ADR, but have grown on the occupancy side. And the Four Points by Sheraton has had an ADR growth of 5%. And given the competitive environment that it is in, with occupancy, 83% and ADR growth of 5%, I think the hotel has held out very well in those competitive landscape and maintained its leadership position with a strong margin. Thank you.

Vikas Ahuja

Sir, my last question is how is the overall corporate rate hike cycle looking like? And in terms of — if I look at the hospitality ADR growth for Mumbai versus the other region, the other region growth is almost three times. So do you think this trend will continue going in the near to medium term as well? That’s my last question, sir. Thanks a lot.

Sanjay Sethi

So, Vikas, the — on the occupancy side, Mumbai is reporting slightly higher occupancies than Hyderabad and Bengaluru. And we believe with that stabilizing, we see that Mumbai will continue its rate growth path in the number that we’ve sort of delivered in Q2. Hyderabad and Bengaluru will continue to grow strongly, and I think there’s an opportunity of growing occupancies there in addition to the rates. So that’s what we are likely to do in the quarter three and quarter four. In Delhi, we expect at the Airoli, we expect both occupancies and rates to grow very aggressively in H2 because that’s a seasonal hotel with winters being the best part of the year for them and the wedding season is kicking in.

We also expect the wedding season to support JW Sahar and the Powai Hotel very strongly. Novotel Pune has done extremely well, and it has actually absorbed the 88 new rooms we opened and being able to deliver it with the addition of 88 rooms, 78% occupancies and with a ADR growth of 10%. So I think it’s strong growth there. Hyderabad Mindspace, we’ve seen rates at the Mindspace be slightly lower in terms of growth, but the occupancy has jumped 15% point [Phonetic], which is a very strong jump in Hyderabad. And Westin Hitec, which is the hotel that we have a single client and place has had a rate growth of almost 30%, occupancies, of course, in that hotel, 100%. So overall, same-store growth on ADR of 9%, same-store growth in occupancy over 2.5%, 3%, and overall growth on RevPAR basis, we’re 12%, is the same-store growth that we have as a story, which is, I think, a very healthy growth. Thank you.

Vikas Ahuja

Yes, sir, sir, just one thing missed — which was missed was corporate rate hike. Are we able to get the…

Sanjay Sethi

Vikas, so, apologies for that. Yeah, corporate rate hike cycle will start going forward. I will let the team sort of work that out before we come back with any commentary on the same.

Vikas Ahuja

Great. Thanks [Technical Issues].

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Karan Khanna from Ambit Capital. Please go ahead.

Karan Khanna

Yeah, thanks for the opportunity. Sanjay, just a couple of questions from my side. Firstly, I think in a recent interview, you spoke about increasing the indexation towards leisure to about 20% of the portfolio while office assets should contribute over 25% of the total P&L. Can you talk a bit about what kind of markets will you be targeting beyond Goa? And secondly, where we are in terms of the cycle, the hospitality cycle? Do you think allocating capital towards the leisure portfolio at this point seems an attractive proposition? Hello?

Sanjay Sethi

I’m sorry. I’m sorry, I had my mic on mute. Apologies for that, Karan. Yes, we believe that getting about 20% of the portfolio in the leisure space is a good strategy. It will continue to support overall growth for the portfolio. Currently, we’ve got Dukes at Lonavala. We’ve got Airoli outside Delhi. We operate a small resort in Madh-Marve for the group, and Goa is something that we’ve announced. Look, it’s all going as per stated strategy over the last few years. There’s no sort of major deviation to that.

We’ve stated we’d like to be in the deep markets of Goa and Rajasthan. We said we’d like to be in the driving distances of Delhi, Mumbai’s and other big cities in the country. We did say that we’d like to be in the Himalayas somewhere. Those are all opportunities that we’re looking at. As and when something comes by, we will come back to all of you and share whatever we’re doing on the pipeline roadside. Goa, we believe can be deeper than just one hotel, and we’ll continue to look for opportunities more than just the opportunity that we have currently.

Karan Khanna

Sure. Secondly, on Bangalore, where you have about 120 keys, 130 keys getting added at the Whitefield property. Now we’ve seen another listed — listed hotelier also acquiring an asset in the Whitefield micro market and they’re looking to add another 200 keys to the existing portfolio. So can you talk a bit about the Bangalore in particular, the Whitefield micro market and with the kind of supply that’s coming, how should we think about the overall occupancy and rate growth potential in that micro market?

Sanjay Sethi

So Karan, you referred to another hotel company adding inventory and announcing more growth, so have we. It just should give you more confidence in the market given that two [Phonetic] seriously listed hotel investment companies are looking at growing the Whitefield market. So it’s clearly a positive market, and we will continue to explore that. We are only a few months away from opening these rooms, and we believe by end of this current quarter, we’ll have those rooms ready and maybe by January, with licenses in place, we could start commercial operations for that — for those additional rooms.

Karan Khanna

Sure. And lastly, on Koramangala Bangalore project, where you managed to sell about 32 units this quarter, which is also at a 16% higher ASP, I would say for FY ’24 [Phonetic] as well. So can you talk a bit about what kind of timeline are you looking at for monetizing the balance 68 units in this project?

Sanjay Sethi

So I think it’s another two quarters to three quarters at most. I think three quarters is a safe assumption to make. We also have that 140,000 square foot of the office tower, which is, as of now, we look at — we’re looking at selling it, but closer to completion. We believe that there’s still some upside on the rates for the balance 68 units, and we’ll continue to pursue that. That’s the timeline.

Karan Khanna

Sure. Thanks, Sanjay. I’ll come back in the queue.

Sanjay Sethi

Thank you, Karan.

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Raghav Malik from Jefferies Group. Please go ahead. Raghav, your line has been unmuted. Please go ahead with your question.

Raghav Malik

Hello? Yeah. Sorry, about that. Am I audible?

Sanjay Sethi

Yeah, we can hear you, Raghav. Thank you.

Raghav Malik

Okay. Thank you for the opportunity. So I just wanted to ask a bit more about the RevPAR essentially. I know you don’t give guidance, but how is the — how is RevPAR tracked across the three months for the quarter, if you could tell us? And is there any further sort of normalization like similar to how we’ve seen in the industry where in July, August has been much stronger and September slightly on the lower side with the mid to high kind of single digit number?

Sanjay Sethi

Yeah. So Raghav, thank you for the question. July was a strong month. We saw August do reasonably well. And whilst you are concerned, as I said earlier, on the first 20 days of September, we saw a very strong uptick once the holidays and the heavy rains were over and we caught up the gaps and closed with the positive story or variance to the previous year’s quarter two, which was reassuring. We do not give guidance on going forward, but on a same-store basis, last quarter, we grew by 12% on a RevPAR basis. And I see no reason why we will not have similar range of growth going forward.

Raghav Malik

Okay. Okay. Thank you. And my other question is on the capex that has been slightly pushed in terms of Taj Delhi and Hyatt Regency. So could you just provide some more detail on that, please?

Sanjay Sethi

So Taj Delhi, as many people on the call will know, is a shell that’s been developed by our landlord there, which is Delhi International Airport Limited. They have had some challenges with the monsoon and flooding at site. It’s a three [Phonetic] basement site. The pace has picked up extremely well in the last one month or so. I’m very happy with the pace of development there. But it still resulted in some delays, and we thought it’s best to at least guide all of you on the delay that’s there, so you are aware of it.

And therefore, we expect it to be completed now maybe in the month of June of 2026. We expect our team to move into the site in January. That’s when the site will be ready for our team to start work on the MEP and the fit outside with the lower floors and basement. And then progressively, they’ll continue to give us a floor at a time. It’s not a very high building. It’s just ground plus six stories or ground plus seven stories, I don’t recall exactly, but in that range.

And we are hoping that with the one and a half years from January, we should have completed the fit-outs and the hotel will be ready for commercial opening. On Airoli, we had said that we will get the approvals around this quarter. And we will come back to you as soon as we’ll hear back on that. I must though use the — share that there could potentially be delays in approval only because of the Maharashtra election that’s got announced, and there will be some time to stabilize post elections. And I think that will also — just so that I can cover the earlier questions that were asked in terms of outlook for this quarter, we expect that there could be some impact during those one day or two days of elections in Mumbai and Pune on the business. But that’s going to be a one-day or two-day impact. Bangalore, Hyderabad don’t have that all.

Raghav Malik

Okay. Sure, sir. And sorry, I just missed the capex number. You had mentioned something for the next six quarters, what would that be, the number, capex guidance?

Sanjay Sethi

Nitin?

Nitin Khanna

The capex is INR15 billion for the next six quarters.

Sanjay Sethi

INR1,500 [Phonetic] crores is the capex for the projects that we’ve shared with you, but that’s for the next six quarters.

Nitin Khanna

Next six quarters. Yes.

Raghav Malik

Okay. Got it. Thank you so much. Yeah.

Sanjay Sethi

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Adhidev Chattopadhyay from ICICI Securities. Please go ahead.

Adhidev Chattopadhyay

Yeah, good morning, everyone. Thank you for the opportunity. The first question is on our leasing guidance. Obviously, you reiterate that by the — by March, you’re looking to lease a majority of the space. Could you give us some more color on the Bangalore and Powai market separately, how they would trend in terms of the leasing traction? And from, let’s say, Q3 of this year, do we — are you expecting some Q-on-Q pickup in the rental income because of the leasing we have done in the previous quarters? Yeah, that is the first question.

Sanjay Sethi

Thanks, Adhidev. I will let Nitin come back with details. But just as a quick overview, between leased and LOI signed were roughly 38% — 36% at Powai, but we’ve got another 33% to be signed in the next few days. And when I say few days, it’s literally before Diwali hopefully, that we’ll be able to sign that. So we’ll get to about 70% as far as Powai is concerned. In Bangalore, in the new tower that we built, I think we are — how much? About 50% [Phonetic] — I’ll let Nitin come back with details, but we are getting good traction in Bangalore, slower than we expected. The challenge was there were two large business tech parks that had also been built in the vicinity. They have now got a job, and we believe our traction will pick up. But Nitin, if you have any further color to share?

Nitin Khanna

Yeah. So on a total Bangalore front, we have around close to 1 million square feet as a GLA. Out of which 55% is already leased. 4% is more — which is in the process of LOI signed. So it’s more — from a committed perspective, we are already 60% committed over there. In terms of pipeline, we have around 2,31,000 [Phonetic], which from — by end of December, we are looking at getting a final negotiation. There is certain evaluation of relocation happening for one of the big clients, which probably we will get better news by end of December. In the second Whitefield, we are looking at education sectors, some of the big corporates coming in, which is around 56% vacant. We will get the first site visit completed by December end on that. On the Powai part, as Sanjay has already told, we are almost like on the verge of closing discussions with the biggest corporate. We do see that by end of this year, March year, you will see almost 90% of getting leased out.

Sanjay Sethi

Okay. Yeah. So just to sort of add to that, the leasing rates continue to be strong and robust. They are as per the earlier indication that we’ve given and with inflationary [Phonetic] growth on the base rates also in place.

Adhidev Chattopadhyay

Okay. So sir, just to understand correctly, you’re saying across Bangalore and Powai, you are expecting to get to a leasing plus LOI of 90% by March ’25, right, across all these assets, right?

Sanjay Sethi

Yeah, like that.

Adhidev Chattopadhyay

Okay. Okay. Sir, the second question I had is on the international arrivals. Obviously, there has been a lot of talk about going back to pre-COVID levels. So could you give us some sense now, now that we are into the second half of the year, how do you see that trending? And even, let’s say, even what is the sort of dependence, is the domestic business making up for any shortfall, if any, in the international inward travel? Yeah, that’s the second question.

Sanjay Sethi

Yes. So look, clearly, the domestic business continues to be extremely strong and has supported us in the previous quarters, almost what six quarters, seven quarters now to make up for the gap in the foreign tourist arrivals. Foreign tourist arrivals as per the air passenger data is almost back to pre-COVID. In our case, currently in the quarter two, 33% of the room nights came from foreigners as against 29% last year same quarter. But in terms of absolute room nights, we’ve grown from 52,886 foreign room nights to 65,565 foreign room nights, which is a 20% — 24% growth from last year same period. So clearly, we’re seeing strong traction and this — quarter two is never — not really the best quarter for foreign travelers to come into India. We look forward to this growing a little more aggressively in the subsequent quarters.

Adhidev Chattopadhyay

Okay. Sir, but what is the visibility, I’m just saying in terms of the — in terms of forward bookings? And broadly, is it better than last year or how would it trend or…

Sanjay Sethi

It is definitely better than last year.

Adhidev Chattopadhyay

Okay.

Sanjay Sethi

That’s all I can share. We don’t give forward-looking numbers. I don’t…

Adhidev Chattopadhyay

Okay. Okay, okay. Sure, sir. Okay. Thank you. That’s very helpful. Yeah. Okay. I’m done.

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Prashant Biyani from Elara Securities. Please go ahead.

Prashant Biyani

Thank you for the opportunity. Sir, what led to this sharp increase in other expenses?

Sanjay Sethi

I’ll let Nitin comment on the other expenses side. Nitin?

Nitin Khanna

So other expenses, basically, there are few one-offs and also revenue-linked expenses, which have got increased. One is — in terms of advertisement, very much for the residential sector, which is around close to INR4 crores, which we have seen for Koramangala. Also in legal and professional expenses, which is again related to expansion, which we are doing strongly. That’s also has an upside, which has come in. So these are the ones which are causing a major increase. Also CRISIL rating some of the expenses around Dukes demolition, that also has contributed to a one-time increase in other expenses.

Sanjay Sethi

So just to recap it, it’s the rating expenses, legal expenses for growth opportunities and the residential [Indecipherable].

Prashant Biyani

Sir, out of this, sir, only this ad spend of INR4 crore looks to be one-off or you would not concur with that view? And if you can mention the total one-off, how much it could be?

Sanjay Sethi

So whilst you’re saying only advertisement is one-off, and I agree that, that is one-off, but legal expenses are connected with acquisition opportunities. We acquired a land parcel in Goa this quarter, and the legal expenses to — for that have been captured in the other expenses. And then the CRISIL is also — was a one-time first rating that we had expenses on. The continuous expenses that come from it will be of lower nature.

Prashant Biyani

Right. And secondly, for Hitec Hyderabad, how do you decide on the rate? Is it fixed quarterly, yearly, monthly, given that we have one occupant for all the rooms?

Sanjay Sethi

So we have a quarter — we have a contract for three years and all the rates are captured in that. In fact, in the current financial year, the rate increases have come twice. And the overall rate increase is about 30% for this quarter. In fact, my colleague just remind me the first rate increase was in March. So it was not actually this financial year, but there was an increase in August, which impacted this quarter’s numbers. But overall between March and August increases on a year-on-year, for quarter two, we’ve had a 30% rate growth, which is something we shared earlier in the past also.

Prashant Biyani

Yeah. But — I mean due for revision, it’s mostly twice a year or…

Sanjay Sethi

It’s going to happen once a year going forward. This was a one-time, twice in a 12-month cycle that we had captured in our agreement because we started off on a lower rate, given that their own occupancy would build up over time. So we’ve got the benefit of that. On a RevPAR basis, Westin Hitec is higher than every other hotel of us.

Prashant Biyani

Okay. And lastly, Mr. Sethi, for Dukes by 15th of December, how many rooms can be open for guests?

Sanjay Sethi

So we have 37 rooms operating now. Now gradually, we’re going to add another 36 rooms, so 73 rooms by early December. We will move into about 100 rooms by January, and all the 146 rooms by end of the financial year.

Prashant Biyani

Okay, sir. That’s it. Thank you from my side.

Sanjay Sethi

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Jinesh Joshi from PL Capital. Please go ahead.

Jinesh Joshi

Yeah, thanks for the opportunity. Sir, I have a question on our Goa Hotel. I think in the last call, we were a bit hesitant in giving out the capex number. So is it possible to give some color on that now?

Sanjay Sethi

So Jinesh, we expect roughly a spend of INR2 crores per key including land, maybe a little over that, plus IDC, etc. Out of which, about INR1.3 crores to INR1.5 crores will be spent on construction costs. The balance is the land cost and whatever the transaction cost that we had. This, I must — since we’re speaking about this particular opportunity, I must say that this is quite a stunning location. We’ve got white sea frontage [Phonetic]. It’s a flattish land. So the views are going to be clear. There’s no sand dunes covering the view from the main construction site where we build the hotel, and it’s very conveniently located from an access perspective.

Jinesh Joshi

Sure. Sir, one follow-up on this part, this INR1,500 crores of guidance in terms of capex that we have given for the next six quarters, does it include anything for our Goa Hotel? If not, when are we expected to kind of start incurring the capex towards that?

Sanjay Sethi

So yes, it includes Goa, but Goa will, of course, build up over the next few quarters. We expect to spend at least another six months to get the approval. And therefore, there’ll be that much of limited spend in Goa for the next few quarters.

Jinesh Joshi

Understood. Sir, one last question from my side. I mean, if I look at our net debt, it has gone up from about INR1,530 crores in the last quarter to about INR1,665 crores. Now given that we recently raised money to repay the debt and we have an OCF generation of about INR385 crores in 1H. And I think also in the opening remarks, the CFO mentioned that majority of the capex that we did in 1H was funded by internal accruals itself. Then any specific reason why the debt levels have gone up when I compare it with the previous quarter?

Sanjay Sethi

So look, we had raised INR1,000 crores from a QIP to enable our balance sheet to be able to handle growth opportunities. And that’s what’s getting executed now. There will be variations on the net debt side as we grow the portfolio. And expect us to peak at no more than INR1,850 crores [Phonetic], INR1,900 crores [Phonetic] as earnings…

Jinesh Joshi

Sure, sir. Got that. Thank you so much.

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Aman Goyal from Axis Securities. Please go ahead.

Aman Goyal

Thank you for the opportunity, sir. Sir, my question is regarding, for example, the economy is facing sluggish growth, like FMCG is reflecting muted growth. So how do you see that impact economy-wise on hospitality sector?

Sanjay Sethi

So Aman, thank you for the question. So look, I think the dynamics are a little different on the hospitality side in the country, driven by the arbitrage that we have between demand and supply. That demand and supply arbitrage hasn’t changed since we last spoke. We believe that the demand will continue to grow in double-digits. Supply side is expected to grow at about 7%. So we’ve got between 300 bps to 400 bps gap between new supply and the demand growth, and therefore, the dynamics of the industry will be different than dynamics of FMCG.

Aman Goyal

Okay. Okay. So my second question is regarding the real — residential development in Bengaluru. So correct me if I’m wrong, so I can see as of now, whatever you sold in the residential, you have not incorporated in your top line, it is all the revenue related to real estate is deferred. So when we can expect that to be added into your top line?

Sanjay Sethi

So Aman, revenue recognition is governed by certain laws of the country. Whilst our sales are very strong, the rates per square foot are very strong and the cash flows are very strong, revenue recognition can happen after a couple of triggers are activated. One of them is access of usable electricity, right now in project stage electricity on the site. Number two, certain amount of completion of access points and development of public areas within the property, and of course, OC. OC, we’ve already cleared. Electricity connection we should get maybe by December or so, and the completion of access also around December. We do expect significant reporting in last quarter of this year on the residential side, which will have revenue recognition and of course, all the cost recognition that we’ve had to continue to keep in the capex side for now till we are able to bring it to the P&L. So expect quarter four to have a recognition of revenue and cost for the residential project.

Aman Goyal

Okay. Thank you. Thank you so much.

Sanjay Sethi

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Pradyumna Choudhary from JM Financial. Please go ahead.

Pradyumna Choudhary

Yeah. Hi, sir. I just wanted to get your sense on, if we are seeing different demand trends across industry, like not for Chalet, more from an industry point of view? Are we seeing some different demand trends, for example, metros versus non-metros and so on? That’s the first one. And second, I know Q3, Q4, we are expecting these to be strong quarters. But what’s your sense, like from here on as well, is there a further scope for ADRs to increase further in FY ’26? That’s the second one. And third would be what was during the last hotel upcycle, what was the peak occupancy versus what it is now currently?

Sanjay Sethi

So, Pradyumna, I’ll try and answer these questions, the same sequence. In terms of market-wise or city-wise performances across India, we’ve seen Hyderabad clearly do extremely well. Recent weeks, we’ve seen Bangalore picking up and doing extremely well. We’ve seen our Pune hotel recorded well good occupancies despite having the largest inventory in the city of 311 rooms. And Mumbai, we see a steady growth on a RevPAR basis. Resistance, if any, I mean, as far as — and this is purely my personal understanding. I have seen — we have seen in the very expensive rate brackets of north of INR25,000, where we’ve seen some resistance to the price point. At the INR15,000, INR20,000 price point, we have seen zero to negligible resistance even on leisure.

Pradyumna Choudhary

All right. Understood. And sir, remaining two questions.

Sanjay Sethi

You said peak occupancies, right, on ADRs, right? Yeah. So ADRs, is to your question on Q3, Q4, yes, Q3, Q4, will see increase in ADRs for sure. For 2026, I’m not at liberty to share what the forward-looking numbers are. But on the back of the positive arbitrage on demand and supply, I see no reason why we still — the country should not see continued growth both on ADRs and occupancies. On your question about peak occupancies, I think they’re very different in each city. For example, cities like Bangalore and Hyderabad, where they have a sharp dip on Friday evenings and continues till about Monday morning. That will continue. So they will have a different peak occupancy trend, which should be in the mid-70s to high 70s at a max. Mumbai, however, tends to record 80% plus occupancies at peak, and therefore, I expect Mumbai to be able to do that.

Delhi also sees typically 75% to 80% occupancies range at peak levels, and we expect Delhi to be in that range. Hyderabad, City Center Hyderabad has had some challenges, but the new district where both hotels are present, we’ve seen extremely value. The other element that I must mention here is that H1 saw almost negligible weddings in the country due to auspicious dates not being there. H2 is likely to, from a all India basis, have a material kick up on account of the weddings. We expect that to have a robust, as a benefit to us in Airoli in Delhi, JW Marriott Sahar and Powai.

Pradyumna Choudhary

So my question on peak occupancy was more from a cycle perspective rather than the current time, like the most…

Sanjay Sethi

It’s very difficult to average out peak occupancy on a country as large as India and very diverse in terms of a demand trend. So I’ve given you what the peak occupancies should be city-wise from the main cities. So Mumbai, I think occupancy, as I said, should be in the 80s, low 80s, Delhi between 75% and 80%, Hyderabad and Bangalore around the 75% to 80% mark.

Pradyumna Choudhary

Okay. This is for each city on a — for the cycle you are saying, right, like during the hotel peak cycle or something of that sort?

Sanjay Sethi

That’s right.

Pradyumna Choudhary

All right. Thank you so much. This is very helpful.

Sanjay Sethi

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. As there are no further questions, we have reached the end of our Q&A session. I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Sanjay Sethi for the closing comments.

Sanjay Sethi

Thank you so much. Thank you, everyone, for your time, and we look forward to engaging with you in the near future.

Operator

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