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Axis Bank Ltd (AXISBANK) Q3 2026 Earnings Call Transcript

Axis Bank Ltd (NSE: AXISBANK) Q3 2026 Earnings Call dated Jan. 26, 2026

Corporate Participants:

Unidentified Speaker

Amitabh ChaudhryManaging Director and Chief Executive Officer

Puneet SharmaChief Financial Officer

Neeraj GambhirExecutive

Munish ShardaExecutive Director

Subrat MohantyExecutive Director

Analysts:

Unidentified Participant

Piran EngineerAnalyst

Kunal ShahAnalyst

Rahul JainAnalyst

Presentation:

operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good day and welcome to the Axis bank conference call to discuss the Bank’s financial results for the quarter ended as on 31st December 2025. Participation in the conference call is by invitation only. Access bank reserves the right to block access to any person to whom an invitation has not been sent. Unauthorized dissemination of the contents of the proceedings of the call is strictly prohibited and prior explicit permission and written approval of Access bank is imperative. As a reminder, all powers per lines will be in the listen only mode and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions at the end of the briefing session.

Should you need assistance during the conference call, please signal an operator by pressing Star then zero on your touchstone form. Please note that this conference is being recorded on behalf of Access Bank. I once again welcome all the participants to the conference call. On the call we have Mr. Amitabh Chaudhary, MDN CEO and Mr. Puneet Sharma, CFO. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Amitabh ChaudHary, MDN CEO. Thank you. And over to you sir.

Amitabh ChaudhryManaging Director and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Michelle. Wishing a very happy public day to everyone on the call apart from Puneet. We have on a call our Executive Directors Subratmuanti Munish Sauda and Neeraj Gambhir and other members of the leadership team. We continue to deliver strong growth across both deposits and advances. Our core operating performance remains steady supported by resilient net interest income and healthy momentum and fee income. We have continued to strengthen our distribution footprint and have now crossed a milestone of 6,000 branches. Our balance sheet remains resilient and our capital position continues to be strong enabling us to pursue profitable and sustainable growth.

Let me summarize the highlights of quarter three. Our deposits growth momentum continued with month end balances growing 5% Q on Q and 15% year on year and also quarterly average balances growing 5% QoQ and 12% YoY with CASA delivering a strong growth of 3% Q on Q and 14% year on year. Our total advances grew 4% Q on Q and 14% Year on Year. Within that, small business SME and mid corporate together grew at 5% Q on Q and 22% Year on Year and construed 24% of total bank loans. Core operating revenue was up 7% Year on Year and the core operating Profit was up also 7% year on year.

Our PAT was up 28% Q&Q. The bank remains well capitalized with a CED1 ratio of 14.5%. We continue to stay focused on the three core areas of integration of our GPS strategy namely becoming a resilient all weather franchise, creating multiplicative forces to build competitive advantage and building for the future, something we have been stating quarter on quarter for quite some time. I’ll now discuss each one of these areas Becoming a Resilient All Weather Franchise we have continued on our journey towards building a resilient all weather franchise. There are four areas of focus as we navigate the current cycle deposit growth, credit growth, retail asset quality and cost where we continue to work on sustainable outcomes.

Starting with credit, we continue to compound on the foundation build for wholesale in the first half with deeper ecosystem penetration and increasing customer stickiness, we have reinforced our calibrated shift towards high redox segments with growth anchored around high quality, transaction LED and ecosystem linked flows while holding our stance on quality intact. This is evident from the quality of our incremental sanctions as growth remains concentrated in a minus and above rated clients. In retail banking, we remain selective in scaling segments with a sharp focus on credit tested customers and growth across our distribution channels. On asset quality, our secured portfolios across segments continue to remain resilient while the early indicators on retail unsecured products are well within guardrails and stabilizing at lower levels.

All the key indicators bounce rates, early delinquencies, collection resolution trends continue to stabilize reflecting the ongoing improvement in portfolio behavior. We had positive operating jaws both for the quarter as well as year to date with our cost to assets at 2.33% or 15 basis points year on year improvement Moving to Deposits now the deposit journey for Access bank should be looked at from three aspects quality, cost and growth. Please refer to slide number 17. We have managed our cost of funds with strong discipline through the rate hike cycle, keeping the rate impact well contained over the last two years.

Our cost of funds are now 39 basis points lower year on year and 8 basis points lower quarter on quarter reflecting our effective navigation of the current rate cycle as well, we continue to demonstrate and remain focused on growing faster than the industry in the medium to long term. In quarter three, our deposits have outpaced the credit growth year on year on MEB and QAB basis, total deposits grew 15 and 12%, term deposits grew 16 and 14, CA grew 20 and 10 and SA grew 11 and 8% respectively. Quarter on quarter on MEB and QAB basis, total deposits grew 5 and 5%, term deposits grew 6 and 6, CA grew 7 and 5 and SA grew 1 and 2% respectively.

Recognize that while our progress at the cost and growth dimensions we our deposit has been strong. There is still some work to be done on improving the quality. We continue to actively work towards deeper generalization of the deposit book to further enhance its resilience. Building onto the momentum from quarter two, our deposit franchise continues to gain strength supported by strong acquisition funnels, a wide distribution footprint, sharper product propositions and sustained momentum in our salary and Burgundy business. At the start of this fiscal we had recalibrated our approach to both new to Bank NTB and existing to Bank ETB deposit mobilization with a sharper focus on quality and engagement.

The outcomes continue to be encouraging. Our NTB engine has seen a marked upgrade in profile with new customer source maintaining higher balances and higher activity from day one driven by a more premium led sourcing strategy, Persona based acquisition and tighter conversion discipline. This has resulted in a richer mix of premier customers and family relationships with the 53% YoY increase in average balances maintained by our NTB customers year to date. Our transformation programs Siddhi and Sparsh continue to accelerate this momentum and embed execution consistency across the network. Our salaried franchise continues to show encouraging traction with improved activation and higher quality inflows resulting in 21% YoY growth in salary uploads in the NDB salary book by December 25th.

32% y o wide growth in number of premium accounts for NDB salary book acquired year to date December 25th. These trends reflect stronger engagement and a more targeted customer level strategy. Similarly, our E2B franchise continues to gain momentum supported by the execution discipline we have embedded across the network. Targeted analytics led segment focused campaigns are deepening balances, broadening product penetration and elevating customer lifetime value as evident in our E2B salary book now growing at 18% year on year. Premarization across the franchise is progressing well supported by rising wallet share and superior client servicing reflected in the 7% QoQ and 8% YoY growth in Burgundy.

AEMS, our industry leading new platform continue to scale rapidly now powering a fast expanding digital ecosystem serving over 4.3 lakh customers on NIO for corporates, 3.1 lakh on NIO for business and thousands more through our API and partnership channels. NIO for Corporates is fast emerging as the digital backbone of our corporate banking franchise, transforming how clients engage with us and deepening our relationship in platform led banking. Please Refer to slide 31 for more details. Point number three creating multiplicative forces to build competitive advantage. This quarter we have advanced our agenda on digital first, inclusive and future ready initiatives through Industry first innovations and Strategic partnerships We pioneered the Omnichannel Express Banking Digital point in partnership with Hitaji Payment Services.

We believe a next generation banking concept offering a glimpse into the future of inclusive banking. Customers can now walk into Express Banking24.7 to open new bank accounts. Aware and send cards, book fixed deposits, apply for loans and pay ready bills as for their convenience. We continue to lead decisively in the UPI peer PSP space with our market share rising to 39% by value and 38% by volume in quarter three while maintaining the lowest technical declines. As a remedy bank reinforcing our position as the top UPI payee, we also introduced a UPI powered digital co branded RuPay credit card built for India’s financial needs.

The Google Pay and Axis Bank Flex, the first card under this offering. Building for the future Diesel bank performance continues to remain strong. We continue to introduce new journeys and enhancements during the quarter in our mobile app. We further enhanced the OneView feature by using account aggregators allowing customers to see their portfolio across deposits, mutual funds, ETFs and stocks across the entire CICO ecosystem using this feature. Additionally we rolled out several new safety related features which empowers customers to protect their accounts. We launched face authentication based journeys for select products using Aadhaar which could dramatically reduce the possibility of fraud.

Bank wide programs to build Decisionless through Bharat Banking and Sparsh are progressing well. At the end of December 2025 the deposits from Bharat branches were up 12% year on year and rural advances were up 2%. Qoq our customer Obsession initiative Sparsh has been accelerating our enterprise wide focus, strengthening experience outcomes and simplifying interactions through digitization. Retail Bank NPS has risen 4 points QoQ and 59 points since inception with consistent improvement across retail products. This progress is being enabled by our digital platforms like Adi, our Genai Power Assistant, now live across 72 products and processing over 36,000 monthly active users and Kaleidoscope, our real time CX engineering which match 38 live journeys with more than 28,000 monthly active users.

Our progress this quarter reflects our focus on longer term and sustainable solutions, simplifying access to credit, reimagining digital banking and investing in talent and ideas that will shape the future. We remain as a bank vigilant to the evolving geopolitical environment and its potential implications for the operating landscape over the medium to longer term. Our ambition remains unchanged, sustainably outpaced the sector growth. We will continue to invest where necessary to remain differentiated and distinctive in our journey towards building an all weather institution. I will now request Puneet to take over.

Puneet SharmaChief Financial Officer

Thank you. Amitabh. Good evening and thank you for joining us this evening. The salient features of the financial performance of the bank for Q3, FY26 and nine months FY26 across our operating performance, capital and liquidity position and asset quality restructuring and provisioning is as follows. For the nine month FY26 our operating performance was stable across net interest income, fee and operating expense lines. Net interest income at 41,591 crores grew 3% year on year. NIM at 3.72% declined 27 basis points. Yoyo after factoring 100 basis points pass through of the repo rate cut fee at 17,883 crores grew 11% year on year.

Operating expenses at 28,896 crores grew 4% year on year we delivered a positive operating job both on operating revenue and core operating revenue. Basis cost to assets at 2.33% declined 15 basis points year on year. Core operating profit at 30,824 crores grew 5% year on year. Moving to the key metrics for Q3FY26 year on year deposit and advances growth of 15% and 14% respectively. Qoq deposits growth of 5% and advances growth of 4% net interest income at 14,287 crores yoy and Qoq growth of 5% and 4% respectively. Margins for quarter 3 FY26 was 3.64%. Fees at 6,100 crores year on year growth of 12% Q1Q and 12% year on year 1% Q1Q granular fee at 92% of total fees expenses at 9,627 crores for the quarter year on year growth of 7% Qoq degrowth of 3% cost to assets 2.33% declining 15bps year on year 5bps q on Q core operating profit at 10,815 crores year on year growth of 7% net credit cost at 0.76% down 4 basis points y OI Net credit cost excluding technical impact at 0.63% down 17 basis points year on year 1 basis points quarter on quarter PAT at 6490 crores 28% growth Q on Q and YOY growth of 3% GNP at 1.40% declined 6 basis points.

QoQ and YOY net NPA at 0.42% declined 2 basis points QoQ and increased 7 basis points year on year. Provision coverage at 70% standard asset coverage ratio 1.14% all provisions to GNPA at 146% consolidated ROA at 1.57% improved 27 basis points Q1Q consolidated ROE at 14.15% improved 264 basis points Q1Q subsidiaries contributed 8 basis points to the consolidated annualized ROA and 47 basis points to the consolidated annualized ROE for the quarter. The bank CET1 including 9 months FY26 profit stands at 14.50%. We net accreted 7 basis points of CET1 in the quarter. The bank has provisions aggregating to 6243 crores which have not been reckoned in the capital computation and translatable to a capital cushion of 43 basis points over and above the reported capital adequacy ratio.

The bank assesses its capital position on two pillars that is Growth and protection. We reiterate we do not need any equity capital for either pillar. We may opportunistically evaluate raising tier 2 and 81 instruments since our current 81 outstanding is due for call in 2026 based on market conditions. Net interest margin for Q3 was 3.64% down 9 basis points. QoQ full quarter impact of the 25 basis points repo rate cut in December 25th will play through loan yields in Q4FY26 as we transmit repo rate changes at the end of the quarter in which the rate cut has been announced.

Yields on interest earning assets declined 17 basis points QoQ. This decline was offset by cost of funds reduction of 8 basis points qoq the bank maintains its through cycle stance of net interest margin at 3.8% cycle measured in terms of duration starting from the last rate cut. Moving on to the progress we made on structural NIM drivers, that progress continues Improvement in balance sheet mix Loans and investments comprise 90% of total assets at December 25th improving 38 basis points year on year and 5 basis points. Q and Q. The retail and CBD advances comprise 68% of total advances at December 25, declining 333 basis points year on year.

This is an outcome of the Bank’s conscious strategy to optimize NII in the short term. Retail disbursements have grown 20% year on year and 12% Q on Q, which gives us comfort that we will be able to rebalance the portfolio proportionality over our planning horizon Low yielding RIDF bonds declined by 6792 crores year on year. RIDF comprise 0.57% of our total assets at December 25th compared to 1.10% at December 24th. Quality of liabilities at December 25th measured by outflow rates stood at 28.6%. Moved adversely as we gained market share in deposits in FY26. We continue to remain focused on this variable.

Qab CASA at 37% declined 65 basis points QoQ and 116 basis points year on year. We have seen an improvement in improvement of 37 basis points on CASA pricing for the nine months FY26 as compared to FY23. This improvement in pricing has offset some of the average CASA decline that is visible for us. In addition, the impact of the YOY decline in QAB CASA was offset by rate benefits across parts of the liability stack. The cost of deposits declined by 36 basis points year on year and 6 basis points quarter on quarter. Our fee income grew 12% year on year 1% QoQ.

The total retail fee grew 12% year on year supported by our small Business banking, Small enterprise group liabilities and cards businesses. Overall our wholesale fee grew 11% year on year. Our WBCG which is our large client coverage team fee grew by 19% year on year. Our Mid enterprise group fees grew by 16% year on year and our transaction banking fee grew 5% year on year. Trading profits and other income at 125 crores declined both Q1Q and YOY mainly due to lower realized gains and MTN. Operating expenses for the quarter stood at 9,637 crores growing 7% year on year and declining 3% quarter on quarter since Q3FY21.

Based on a prudent internal policy, the bank has consistently been provisioning for gratuity liability in anticipation of the implementation of the code for Social Security 2020. At 31st December 2025, the bank holds a cumulative provision of 434 crores towards the new Labor Codes based on the preliminary assessment of the impact given the provisional accumulation under the Prudent Policy. Till the end of the previous quarter, the bank has had to take a minimal charge to its profit and loss account for Q3FY 26 of an amount of 25 crores for the labor Codes. The bank will monitor and finalize monitor the finalization of the central and State rules relating to the Labor Codes and adjust its estimates and provisions in subsequent reporting periods for GRATUITY and and other aspects of the new Labor Code in accordance with the applicable accounting standards.

The year on year increase in operating expenses is 593crores. 79% of this increase can be attributed to an increase in statutory expenses attributable to PSLC cost, CSR and DICDC premium. The balance increase is attributable to volume linked expense growth, technology spends and BAU expense offset by a reduction in staff costs. Total operating expenses declined 3% quarter on quarter. The decline in staff cost is attributable to decline in QOQ period end headcount by roughly 950 and reversal of accruals of staff expenses no longer required to be paid. Operating expenses other than staff for flat QOQ as BAU volume linked expenses were offset by PSLC cost reduction.

Technology and Digital spends grew 11% year on year and constituted roughly 11% of the total operating expenses of the bank. We opened 134 branches in the quarter, 234 branches in the nine months FY26 and 404 branches in the last 12 months. Net credit cost for the quarter was 2,307 crores. Annualized net credit cost for Q3 FY26 was 76bps declined for bips year on year. Net credit costs for the quarter excluding technical impact was 1,390 crores. The cumulative non NPA provisions at 31st December 2025 is 13,111 crores comprising provisions for potential expected credit loss of 5012 crores, restructuring provisions of 216 crores, standard asset provisions higher than regulatory rates of 1711 crores, additional one time standard asset provision of 1231 crores and weak asset provisions of 4941 crores.

Moving to growth across our liabilities and loan franchise, Amitabh discussed the growth in loans and deposits. We gained market share on a year on year basis across our deposit franchise and maintained our market share on loan franchise. Our loan book is granular well balanced with retail advances constituting 56% of our overall advances, corporate loans at 32% and CBG at 12%. Please refer slide 17 and 18 for details around the quality of our liability franchise and slides on our loan franchise. 73% of our loan book are at floating rate, 45% of our fixed rate book matures every 12 months.

Breakup of the floating rate book by benchmark type MCLR repricing frequency set out on slide 9 of the investor presentation in Q3FY26 Retail disbursements grew 20% year on year and 12%. QoQ disbursements in home loans grew 30% year on year and 16% quarter on quarter. Vehicle loans were up 26% year on year, 20% quarter on quarter. Retail agri disbursements were up 32% year on year and 31% quarter on quarter. Personal loans were up 21% year on year and 1% quarter on quarter. Moving to the Performance of our subsidiaries Detailed performance of our subsidiaries is set out on slides 51 to 58 of our investor presentation.

In nine months FY26 the domestic subsidiaries reported a net profit of 1,490 crores growing 6% year on year. The return on investment on domestic subsidies is 52%. Axis Finance overall assets under finance grew 22% year on year of which share of retail plus MSME at 56% of total book versus 53% last year. 9 months FY26 PAT grew 12% year on year to 571 crores. Strong asset quality with net NP of 0.36% and negligible restructuring. Axis Finance took an incremental standard asset provision in the quarter to comply with upper layer regulations. This impacted its profitability by 55 crores for the quarter.

Axis AMC overall quarterly average AUM grew 11% year on year to approximately 3.65.75 crores. 9 month patch stood at 454 crores growing 20% year on year. Axis Securities 9 months FY26 PAT stood at 270 crores. Axis Capital 9 months FY26 PAT grew 20% year on year to 178 crores moving to asset quality provisioning and restructuring slippage. GNPA and NPA and PCR ratios for the bank and segmentally for retail, CBG and our corporate book is provided on slide 42 of our investor presentation. Gross slippages for the quarter were 6007 crores on of which retail was 5472 crores.

CBD at 370 and WBCG at 165. Gross slippages ratio for the quarter was flat sequentially and declined 2 basis points year on year. Our gross slippage ratio for the quarter excluding technical impact declined 4 basis points quarter on quarter and declined 62 basis points year on year. Retail asset quality is stabilizing as evidenced by the credit card portfolio has seen a yoy improvement across gross slippages, net slippages, gross credit cost and net credit cost. Retail assets portfolio excluding cards has seen A yoy improvement in gross slippages, net slippages, gross credit cost and net credit cost for the quarter, 39% of the gross slippages are attributed to linked accounts of borrowers which were standard when classified or have been upgraded in the same quarter.

Net slippages for the quarter were 3135 crores, declining in value terms by 11% year on year. Net slippages segmentally were 3051 crores for retail, 195 crores for CBD and a negative 111 crores for our WBCD business. Net slippage ratio for the quarter declined 29 basis points year on year. Our net slippage ratio for the quarter, excluding technical impact was flat sequentially and declined 45 basis points on a year. On year basis, recoveries from written off accounts for the quarter were 799 crores, up 25%. Q1 Q. Net slippages for the quarter, adjusted for recoveries from written off pool were 2,335 crores.

Segmentally, retail was 2,506, CPG was 109 and WBCG was negative 280. Please see slides 44 and 45 for quantification of technical impact across segments. To summarize, Axis bank is progressing well to be a stronger and sustainable franchise. We continue to monitor the current macro geopolitical environment, inflation, liquidity, cost of funds and its impact on our business. Thank you. We conclude our opening remarks and would be happy to take questions.

Questions and Answers:

operator

Thank you very much, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin with a question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask questions may please press Star and one on the Touchstone phone. An operator will take your name and announce your turn in the question queue. Participants are requested to use only handsets while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue assembles. You may please press Star and one to ask questions. The first question is from the line of Chintan from autonomous. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Participant

Hi, good afternoon. Thank you for taking my questions. Can I please start with the 3.8 NIM guidance? Thank you for reiterating that. The question would be, you know, is that something you’re fairly confident about or would you like to caveat that target with any kind of market dynamics that need to play out for you to achieve that target? So that would be my first one. My second again on NIMS is you’ve seen 27% year on year, corporate loan growth, 6%. You’re on your retail loan growth. And of Course you highlighted disbursements are improving but how should we think about this impacting your nims on mix effects? It’s kind of linked to the 3.8.

You know if you’re going to grow corporate faster does that mean that 3.8 may be a little in danger? And final question would be, you know Amitabh at Davos you said it will take 18 to 24 months to return to deposit growth momentum. Could you please elaborate on that? Not quite sure what you are referring to there. Thank you.

Amitabh Chaudhry

Thank you for the question Chitran. I’ll respond to it in parts. 3.8% we remain confident of it is rate cycle agnostic which is why we say it’s a through cycle NIM guidance. We are not walking away from that even today despite the 125 basis points rate cut that we’ve seen. So we remain confident that we will get to the 3.8 over the duration of reprice of our assets and liabilities. So we reiterate what we have said previously.

Unidentified Participant

Thank you.

Puneet Sharma

I think to your second part of your question on on portfolio mix we had clearly called out at the start of Q1 that for the current fiscal we would look to optimize net interest income because that flows through PAT and has a positive impact on roe. That’s exactly what you’ve seen. We found the right risk adjusted opportunities to grow in the wholesale business. We haven’t sacrificed, we have deepened our relationships with the client and that’s where growth has come through. On the wholesale side we do believe that we will rebalance our book to what we have previously indicated.

We think an optimal book balance in the current plan horizon would be 58 to 60 retail, 23 to 25 wholesale and the balance being SME. That calibration will take place depending on the time or cycle that we are in. I’ll pause there. I’ve covered two parts of your question. I’ll hand back to Amitabh for the diverse question.

Unidentified Participant

Thanks Puneet.

Puneet Sharma

So you know I was specifically asked about two things when I was there that one the credit growth seems to have picked up. What about deposit growth which remains anemic and by when do we expect the deposit growth to come back? To that question I respond that first the credit and the deposit growth has to converge as it converged earlier. So credit growth cannot get ahead of deposit growth on a sustained basis. And if the Indian economy has to grow at a certain rate we have to ensure that credit growth does happen which feeds into deposit growth.

And I’M hoping that in the next 15 to 18 months the deposit growth will stabilize at similar levels of credit growth because there is no option. If deposit growth remains anemic, then the credit growth will come down. You cannot have those two numbers diverging on a sustained basis. Rba, I think, is fully cognizant of this. They have. While we have seen periods of very low liquidity again over the last couple of quarters, including in the last quarter, including now, only now RBI has talked about infusing liquidity. It has to be sustained, it has to be continuous.

And as is evident, regulator is fully seized on that matter. And if that continues, we do believe that over a period of time, both the credit growth and sustained liquidity will feed into deposit growth. That was the context to my answer.

Unidentified Participant

What was, what was surprising was the length of time you think the convergence will take. You know, that was my kind of.

Puneet Sharma

Oh, okay. So the reason I said that. Sorry, apologies to interrupt you. The reason I said that is because given what is happening on a geopolitical basis, very difficult to say that things can stabilize that quickly. I mean, look at what’s going on around us. And every day is a new event. So in that sense, what is happening to the rupee, whether intervention will be required, at what stage some of these things will stabilize. I was, I just thought that it cannot happen in a hurry. It will take a little bit more time than what all of us want and anticipate.

That’s where I was coming from.

Unidentified Participant

Exactly. Okay, thank you.

operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Maruk Adajania from Nuama. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Participant

Yeah, hi. Congratulations. I have a couple of questions. Firstly on lcr. So your LCR has dropped. If you could explain the moment or, you know, the average lcr or if you could give the average LCR out outflow. If I’ve missed. I don’t know if I missed it in the commentary, but that’s my first question. And my second question is really on deposit growth. Right. So you did address sector. You did give us sector commentary, but just in terms of deposit growth.

We’ve beaten the sector over the last two quarters. Will we be able to continue the same pace? Because we are coming from a peak period where people were questioning the low deposit growth and now we’ve overtaken many large banks on overall growth. So does that momentum look sustainable to you? That’s my second question. On OpEx, if at all, there is a reversal on employee expenses because the number looks too low or should this be the new base and we work upon, we work on building upon this base only. So those were my questions. Thanks.

Neeraj Gambhir

Hi Marav, this is NEERAJ here on NCR. We have been broadly in 115 to 120% range for the last several quarters. We continue to operate in that range quarter on quarter. There is some variability because it’s a large balance sheet. There are changes to inflows and outflows that do happen happen and compositions of liabilities and assets do change. But the broad idea is to stay within that 115 to 120% range that we have operated in for almost 8 to 10 quarters now, even longer. So not too much to be read into that at this point in time.

Okay.

Munish Sharda

So Maruk, thank you for your question. This is Monish on Deposit. Thank you for acknowledging we’ve grown better in the industry. As we’ve been telling the street for the last few quarters that we have been undergoing transformation in our execution and operating rhythm in the branches. The components of deposit growth are NTB and ETB and also new segments that we are getting after in the branches. Apart from the branch expansion that we are doing. We’ve seen, we’ve been telling you that NTB growth has been encouraging for us. We’ve been premiumizing our new acquisition. We’re seeing great momentum in our salaried book.

We are seeing momentum in our NRI book. So the NTP book is growing. This is the work that we’ve done on customer servicing and customer engagement in the last few quarters. We’ve also seen our ETB book starting to deepen quite heavily this year as compared to the previous few years. So we’re confident that that execution, if you continue on that execution, that deepening with our customers will continue to improve both on deposits as well as on per customer product, number of product that we have per customer that will continue to improve. Also last year we added about 500 branches.

This year we will add about 400 branches. This year we’ve added 134 branches. This quarter that momentum is continuing. We are very clear that our new branches, location, etc. Has to be in line with our premiumizing strategy and also in line with our digital ambition as well as our Bharat banking ambitions. We continue to invest in there. Our Burgundy private franchise also is growing very healthily and our investments in digital, etc. Have started giving us good results. Net net. I think we are confident that for retail deposit momentum we’ve seen some good work. But we realized, as Amitabh said in the address, that we Have a lot. Of work to do still across our. Current account and our individual deposit franchise and we continue to double down on that in those areas.

Puneet Sharma

Maruk, thanks for the question. I think to the last question that you asked on staff cost. The reduction in staff cost has two variables. A absolute reduction in headcount quarter on quarter which is permanent in nature and there is a reversal of staff expenses that are no longer required to be paid. I will clarify that the staff expenses no longer required to be paid would not have changed the direction of the staff cost improvement on a sequential quarter basis.

Unidentified Participant

Okay, thanks a lot. Thank you. Thank you.

operator

The next question is from the line of Ricken Shah from IIFL Capital. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Participant

Hi, good evening guys. A few questions. The first one is on the liabilities. So my question is specific. On the current account we have seen a decent acceleration even on average basis. So what’s driving that and how do you think about its sustainability? And second part to that is on the borrowings as well. So bucking the last few quarters we have seen the borrowings going up in the last two quarters and it’s now back to 15% of IBL. So how should we think about that moving ahead? So that’s first on the liability. Second is on cost of deposits.

This quarter the improvement in cost of deposit was a bit slower than some of the other peers. Assuming no further rate actions. Puneet, when do you think our TD repricing gets over and how much more juice is left on cost of TD side? The third one clarification on opex. So just to you know, on the staff expenses again if I look at the average remuneration per employee, should we assume that what we saw in this quarter is the new base and we build onto that or the reversal helped that average number in this quarter and we need to strip that out.

If you could quantify that’s brilliant. And the last question is on asset quality. The standard loans provision were negative in this quarter. What’s driving that? And given that X of technical slippages, the credit cost were only 63 basis points this quarter. So how should we think about the direction here on.

Neeraj Gambhir

So hi, this is Neeraj here. On your question around current accounts I think it’s a combination of few things. One, we are continuing to see deepening of our existing customer base relationship driven by the tech stack and the technology investment that we have done. On corporate banking side we continue to have much more deeper engagement with clients on their operating flows through some of the NEO based investments that we have done in the platform that we have put in place, whether it is through APIs or whether it’s through our Neo4 corporate platform, we are actually seeing some good outcomes of the solutioning that we do with our customers, whether it is corporate customers or government customers for their cash management requirements.

So that is having a positive effect on our current account franchise. We are also working to deepen and granularize the current account franchise through to our retail current account initiatives which is spanning both ETB as well as NTB customer base. And on ETB customer base I think there is a focus to also focus on certain set of branches which are closer to current account customers and actually having a dedicated thought process in those branches for current account customers. So a combination of these things is what I would say is playing out for us at this point in time.

Subrat Mohanty

On the staff cost, this is subrat on the staff cost question like Puneet mentioned, see the absolute number is also down and directionally things would not have changed even if we had not taken the reversals into account. So staff wage cost productivity is an important metric. We are monitoring it very closely. We have mentioned in the past about Siddhi, the employee super app Adi, the app that we use for addressing customer questions and queries at the branches. These are very powerful tools to improve employee productivity. These are almost now 100% used across the bank for customer facing roles and for productive roles in the field.

So there is quite confidence in the in the team that is going out meeting customers on an everyday basis in how they use this tool and what productivity gains they are getting out of this tool. We will continue to work to sustain the wage productivity numbers that we have been able to achieve in this quarter. And on a broader basis I think we have maintained the point that we will have operating job that is positive and that’s really how we are looking at it from a medium term perspective. So the cost to asset ratio will continue to head in the direction based on how the operating job continues to remain positive.

Munish Sharda

On your last question around cost of funds, we don’t give out the proportionality of the book to be repriced but the shorter turnout book has entirely been repriced as we stand. I think given that the duration of the book is set out in our annual report, a good estimate could be taken from there on what’s left to be repriced. But please appreciate that non retail term deposit rates in quarter four have started to inch up and consequently the repricing benefit on deposits to the fullest extent of the lag Book may not come through if the rate environment remains competitive through quarter four.

So we’ll wait and watch. But ideally you should see a deposit cost decline play through even in quarter four to offset some of the margin pressure that we will see on account of the pass through the 25 basis point 3.8 cut.

Unidentified Participant

And Puneet on the standard loan negative provisions and the credit cost direction.

Puneet Sharma

So I think on the standard asset negative is effectively the negative in the standard assets provision for the current quarter is driven by the fact that there were sectors that we had marked as stress previously where given the stabilization of the overall loan book we don’t see as stressed. So that’s a marginal impact. It’s actually inconsequential in the context of our results. It’s about 128 crores. We’ve clearly set that number out for in the investor presentation to look at directionally from a credit cost standpoint. We had said the retail book is stabilizing. We continue to remain common to that comment that it is stabilizing.

You are seeing that flow through now in numbers.

Unidentified Participant

All right, thank you so much.

operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of MP Mahesh from Kotak Security.

Unidentified Participant

Hey. Hi. Just a couple of questions. One Amitabh, just wanted to check. Are there any inaudible positions that you to interrupt you?

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Unidentified Participant

Yeah. Hi. Good evening sir. Two questions. One is on psl, the PSL compliance. How are you placed? The RIDF outstanding has been coming down now down to 100 billion. Is this, I mean does this suggest that we are. We are, we are moving towards self sufficiency in PSL or the shortfall is being made good by PSLC certificate. I mean that is question number one. Number two is a deposit and LCR put together. Right? So I mean the strategy on deposit has been cost runoff and growth. We have come more than industry on growth. Cost has also been competitive.

The runoff rate has inched up a little bit. Now LCR from April, the new guidelines comes in and the runoff rates on the wholesale and NBFC should ideally come down. Do you sense that you can still continue this strategy? I mean the new LCR guideline would be helpful in pursuing the current deposit strategy without compromising on the runoff rates and if you would have LCR release or you would need to sort of a buffer. So these are the two questions. Thank you.

Puneet Sharma

So on on the PSL team strategy, see the We’ve not got any rid of allocation over the last four years or so largely because of how we manage the PSL book in terms of organic growth. We did Bharat banking in 2020 as a specific strategic agenda for the bank. Some of it has played out in terms of the strength that we have built in the agri portfolio. So the RIDF numbers that you see are the old RIDF numbers which have been running off based on their tenure going forward. This is going to continue to be a challenge at a system level because everybody is, you know, focused on this.

There has been some amount of reclassification, declassification in this, in this specific area. We feel fairly confident given how we have focused on the Bharat Banking part of the business over the last four years that through a combination of organic book as well as wherever in order to bridge the some of the gap we might need to do PSLC purchase we will continue to be able to manage the overall PSLC requirements that we have.

Neeraj Gambhir

Hi so Neeraj here on LCR question if you recall from first April there are three things which are changing. First is that we are required to maintain an additional 2.5% runoff on retail and SVC deposits which are which have IB and MB enablement. There is an alignment of HQLA Haircut and thirdly some OLE deposits will move from OLE category to non financial corporate category which is a much lower runoff of 40%. So there are pluses and minuses with this guideline and our current estimate is that basis what our composition of deposits is. We are broadly neutral in terms of these pluses and minuses effective 1st of April.

As far as strategy going forward is concerned, I think we need to bear in mind that currently for the last, I would say a couple of years, the growth rate of individual and small business customer deposits has been somewhat slower as compared to the growth of the corporate and institutional deposits. It’s a phenomenon that has been playing out in the Indian banking system. So we are actually seeing an impact of that which is why there has been an increase in our outflow rates as well. We will continue to focus more on growing our granular and retail Deposit base.

But please bear in mind that the current sort of institutional setup and the flow of the deposits in the system is somewhat against this. So the outflow rates going forward will actually depend upon the growth rate that we see for us as well as for the system on these two separate constitutions.

Unidentified Participant

Sure. The net, the lower runoff rate should ideally help in the runoff profile of the deposits. Right? Is that a fair assessment?

Neeraj Gambhir

I mean, it is helping, of course it is helping. But there is also a higher runoff rate for retail deposits that is offsetting it because now you provide 2.5% extra on retail and SBC, where you are giving Internet banking and mobile banking.

Unidentified Participant

Right, sure. Thank you and all the way.

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Thank you. The next question is from the line of Abhishek M from hsbc. Please go ahead. Abhishek M. I have unmuted the line. Please proceed with the question. Sir.

Unidentified Participant

Yeah, hi. Am I audible?

operator

Yes, sir.

Unidentified Participant

Yeah. Thank you. Good evening and congratulations for the quarter. Two questions. I think the first question is basically on any kind of inorganic opportunity that you see out there, especially, you know, something which can give a sort of lasting push to your name, roa, psl, compliance, all those things. And given that, you know, any such thing has to be of a certain size, given your scale, would you need additional capital if this kind of an opportunity were to arise or is the current capital position adequate? So that’s my first question. The second question, Amitabh, is also on how do you think about ldr? I think you said that the regulator still monitors it, but as you move, as we use LCR NSFR more and more to manage reserves, is that becoming more important than really looking at LDR or is the regulator looking at both? And internally also, do you look at both? So just these two questions, if you could clarify.

Thanks.

Subrat Mohanty

Thank you. Abhishek. This is subrat on the inorganic opportunity. I mean, we continue to be, you know, looking at what opportunities are available in the market. But given the size of possible opportunities, if you take the universe of opportunities available, I don’t think there is anything of the size which meets some of the criteria that you mentioned which will require us for any, you know, which will require us to raise capital for that kind of, you know, for that kind of opportunity. So to answer your question, I don’t think there is, there will be any capital requirement given the set that is available in that kind of.

I mean, we have no other comment to make in terms of what opportunities are available at this point in time. On your second question on LDR, see, over the last six quarters or so, this is seventh, we have been between about 90% to 93% LDR and we’ve been able to navigate this environment in terms of of doing the right balance between growth and keeping the LDR in that range. Our general sense right now is that as a metric, the metric served its purpose. Right now possibly the focus on the metric is a bit different than what it was a year back, but we continue to remain focused on keeping it in that range, which we have managed in this quarter as well.

And we think that we can maintain that range and still continue to show industry equal or industry leading growth. So that’s the way we currently have, you know, made sure that the operating model works and we are comfortable with that.

Unidentified Participant

Sure. Thanks. Can I squeeze in just one more question, just a sort of data keeping question on slippages. How much would be the AGRI slippages this quarter? Because X of that, I mean even your QOQ performance and your underlying slippage looks to have improved quite substantially. That’s great thing. So just in case you can share the agree slippage, that would be great.

Puneet Sharma

Thanks Abhik, thanks for the question. Consistently we’ve responded to that by saying we don’t break up the retail slippages across product categories. So that’s a number we won’t put out. Please. Thank you.

Unidentified Participant

All right. Thanks Puneet and all the.

operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of parent engineers from clsa. Please go ahead.

Piran Engineer

Yeah, hi team. Congrats on the quarter before my question. I just need a clarification subrat to what you said that the focus on LDR as a metric is different today from what it was a year back. Are you referring to you guys or the RBI here?

Subrat Mohanty

No, no, we are referring to our how important or how what kind of a range we need to keep it in. I mean when we were at the higher end of that range between 90 and 93, it was a different kind of a focus. Now that we have been typically in the lower end of that range, we have some kind of, you know, elbow room from our perspective. We don’t give, we don’t offer commentary on what the regulator views on that region.

Piran Engineer

Got it, got it. Okay, that’s it then. Just moving on to my questions and I’ll ask them all at once. Just firstly, corporate growth. If you could give some more flavor coming from, you know, volume or value and if it’s value, is it that, you know the corporates are borrowing more or are you gaining wallet share so some quantitative stuff or color out there would be useful. Secondly, a little bit on credit cards. You know credit cards, the decline. QoQ, is it simply an end of period thing that last quarter was good due to an early festive season or should we read more into it and be concerned? And honestly this is not just for you all but for the industry.

And thirdly, and I know you all have spoken about this in the last one or two quarters about prioritizing NII over NIM. My question is why only in FY26, why not an FY27 and FY28? It clearly gives you ROE accretion. If you see this quarter also your capital has not been consumed because you’re probably growing in lower risk weight assets. So let this just continue. What is the logic of keeping it only in the short term? Yeah, that’s it. Thanks.

Unidentified Speaker

Hi, thanks for the question. I’m Vijay here. I’ll answer. On the corporate growth we’re being very selective about the growth. It’s being largely powered by the stor. Strong client engagement materially faster turnaround times compared to how the market is operating. Clearly focused on our filters on both FTP and RAW in terms of sectors primarily led by power corporate, real estate, diversified conglomerates. But we’re not stopping at just asset growth on the corporate. Our idea is to embed the bank in each corporate to be able to improve our transactional flows. Neeraj spoke about NIO and the current account flows are a testament to how we are embedding the bank in corporates and as also corporate salary and burgundy. Most of these are how we are operating and engaging with the corporates.

Clearly we are not chasing the, we. Are not chasing facing the growth here. We’re being selective about it and clearly rack FTP filters operate clearly ecosystem plays very much our play. Thank you.

Unidentified Speaker

Hi, this is Agnika on the card side. I think it’s a phenomena that we’ve seen across the sector post effective demand. You know the spend year on year came down last year festive season was in you know October, November. This year the festive season actually along with GST cuts came in September and that’s why you see the quarter on quarter difference.

Piran Engineer

But Ajika, are you seeing pressure on Revolvers and EMI products also or is it just mathematically a decline if you get what I mean?

Unidentified Speaker

Yeah. So you know the key question is that our percentage share of revolve continues to be the same. There is no change that we are seeing over there. I think depending on the mix of the clients you get from time to time, you know the color of the book moves. But from our perspective, our ENR share, our spend share continues to be stable for last six quarters.

Piran Engineer

Understood.

Puneet Sharma

Pinnp, you’ll have scarce question on optimizing NII on a go forward basis. Our comment for FY26 was driven by the fact that we we make these decisions on a plan cycle basis. So we are due for our Plan cycle for FY27. Once we’ve made the decision we’d be happy to communicate.

Piran Engineer

Okay, so it’s not definitely a no, it’s just that you will revise it each year and sort of communicate to the street.

Puneet Sharma

We will review it as part of our plan cycle and the outcomes we’d be happy to communicate at a due point in time.

Piran Engineer

Okay. Okay, that’s helpful. Yeah. Thank you and wish you all the best.

operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Adarsh, Paris Rampuria from enam. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Participant

Hi team, great set of numbers. Couple of questions. First is with things settling down on unsecured in retail on credit cost we did see some gap versus peers getting created on the credit cost side. So you know most large peers were operating close to 50 or under and now things seem to be settling on the unsecured side. So if you can offer some direction. You did speak about credit costs but do you expect to bridge the gap you had in maybe in the last couple of years given that technical should not be an issue next year.

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Unidentified Participant

Okay, so I had two questions. One was on credit cost. Because of technical and other reasons we did have a material gap created versus peers. Most of the larger peers also have reported 50bps or lower credit cost and doesn’t seem given the direction that things will head up. So if you can offer your comments on credit costs both absolute on a more relative basis also that from a quality of portfolio construct and my second question is Amitabh, if you can just. There was a few rumors regarding the MNA regarding a large listed MFI M&A. So if you can just specifically if possible clarify on that.

Thank you.

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Amitabh Chaudhry

Asking about M and A and then you had a question on privileges. Let me answer a second question then I’ll ask Puneet to answer the first. I don’t know what M and A you’re referring to. We don’t comment on any F and A. We are not in any position to discuss any M and A at this point in time. People are quoting sources. Good luck to them.

Puneet Sharma

Adarsh to your question on credit costs. As you’re aware, we don’t guide on credit costs. But I’ll reiterate, retail asset quality stabilization is what we called out. Q4 for cards, Q2 for PL. The numbers are visible on slide 4445 for you to see. The stabilization is playing through early vintage. Delinquency of the new underwritten book continues to behave well. That’s where we will stop at commenting on credit cost performance. But that should give you a fair idea of stabilization actually playing through our numbers.

Unidentified Participant

Perfect. Thanks Amakam. And thanks Puneet.

operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Kunal Shah from Citigroup. Please go ahead.

Kunal Shah

Yeah, so. Am I audible?

operator

Yes sir, you’re audible please.

Kunal Shah

Yeah. So the question was on recoveries. When we look at the run rate on the recovery side in particular, it still seems to be almost like similar on a quarter on quarter basis, somewhere around 2800, 2900 range. And there were expectations in terms of better recoveries to flow through even from the technical slippages. Given that there was a lot of accretion which has happened. So maybe do we expect the overall recovery trend to improve from here on, how should that ideally behave? So no doubt on the slippage side we have seen the core slippages being managed, but there were some expectations of improvement in the recoveries too.

Puneet Sharma

Kunal, thank you for the question. If your question is related to technical slippages and recoveries thereof, we reiterate that that pool will not result in an economic loss for us. We will be able to recover these loans because they have a adequate value of security cover. That’s what we’ve consistently been saying. You’ve seen a decline in the net slippage number on a quarter on quarter basis. I think you’re comparing quarter three, quarter three to quarter two. Please do adjust for seasonality. And if you adjust for seasonality, the trend lines that we had been calling out continue to hold.

So on technical slippages, we remain true to our comment that you should see recovery from that pool over a period of time. No economic loss on that pool.

Kunal Shah

Sure, sure. And secondly on the investment income side, so there has been quite a bit of volatility in 2Q and 3Q. So is it more to do with maybe some booking of the. Maybe. Maybe some selling the investments during a particular quarter which would have resulted in the treasury gain in last quarter not reflected in the investment income and this quarter maybe the treasury is low and investment income is high. So should we look at it both as a cumulative number to just see in terms of how the investment portfolio is giving the benefit or how should we read that? Because last two quarters it’s been quite volatile.

Puneet Sharma

Kunal, treasury income is a function of the Treasury’s decision to monetize basis market scenarios. Ideally you should look at trading profit on a full year basis. It will differ on a quarter by quarter basis in each fiscal. So if I request you to look at 9 months trading profits, 9 months trading profits for last year was 1885 crores and 9 months trading profit for the current year is 1978 crores. So broadly flat to stable 100 crores gap. So please don’t either model or measure trading profits quarter to quarter on a nine month to nine month basis.

We’ve delivered a significant similar amount as we did last nine months.

Unidentified Participant

The question was more on the investment income side. If you’re looking at yields on investment income. Yeah, so interest on interest on investment.

Piran Engineer

Sorry, yes. If you’re looking at yields on investment income, there will be some volatility depending on the investment position we carry on our trading book. There will also be some volatility basis the interest rate view our treasury takes between long duration securities versus short duration securities. You are right in your observation that there is a marginal decline in yield on investments in the current quarter that’s driven by specific treasury strategies on elongating or shortening the duration of instruments we hold. Nothing to read into it as we stand today. Sure, thanks. Thanks. That’s.

operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Rahul Jain from MFS Investment. Please go ahead.

Rahul Jain

Yeah, hi. Am I audible?

operator

Yes, sir, Please proceed.

Rahul Jain

Great, thanks and good evening, gentlemen. We’ve got two questions actually. One is just wanted to understand about the growth in the retail asset book. What strategy are we adopting to improve the traction there? What do you think about the market share gain opportunities that exist in the retail asset side? Because the last few quarters it’s growing in a very narrow band if I’m not wrong, between 1 to 2% quarter on quarter. So really keen to hear your comments on that, number one. Number two, on the operating Leverage side how confident or what’s your view about the direction of travel going forward in the next couple of years as the investment need might again arise.

If the retail asset growth picks up or irrespective of the retail asset, the operating leverage will continue to come through. So those are two questions. Thank you.

Munish Sharda

So Rahul, hi, this is Munish. Thank you for your question. At a very broad level I’ll tell you that three things, two or three things that we use to look at retail asset businesses. The first thing at a broad bank level we have said that we will grow our asset book through cycles at about 300 basis points better than the industry and I think the franchise is well positioned to deliver that. The second thing is that on the rare oak side we are guided by our rauc since operating principles we’re very clear that we will dial up or dial down depending upon the returns that we expect to make in any business.

The third is any environmental shift that happens impacts the overall growth. Fourth item is we are very committed to delivering large part of our asset growth by deepening the relationship with our existing customers. So within these four guiding principles we’ve over the last few quarters we’ve seen we took a hit in unsecured dispersal because it was a about six to eight quarters back we went through a cycle there. We’ve seen those disbursals now come back. We have remodeled our acquisition engine, et cetera and we are seeing attraction in that business. We’ve also in the mortgage business was seeing a lot of competition from PSU banks.

A few quarters back we’re seeing some sanity returning there. We also doubling down on a few lines within the retail mortgage business which are given which will give us higher etc. So we’ve seen this bustle come back there as well. In our wheels business which is auto loan, commercial vehicle construction equipment businesses, we are also you know pushing for the right in that business. We have deployed technology. We are seeing also a growth in that business also driven by the, you know, the shift in the the GST etc. That’s happening the last quarter.

Finally in our small business banking businesses there also there are two secured and unsecured books where we are pushing growth because that business brings a whole lot of opportunities with those set of customers.

We are seeing higher disbursal growth quarter on quarter and Yoy Puneet and Amitabh mentioned those numbers in their respective addresses. We think that if we continue to, you know, work in these areas and we continue to double down on digital transformation etcetera in those businesses our ability to deliver on the 300 basis points better than the industry will continue to get sharpened. The growth of book it takes time once the disbursal starts improving and we are hoping that if we continue on this momentum we will be able to to deliver and we’re well positioned to deliver 300 basis points from the franchise better than the industry on a two cycle basis.

Unidentified Participant

I hope that answers your question. Rahul. Sorry. Go ahead Rahul please please go ahead please.

Unidentified Participant

No, it’s okay, I’ll let you finish.

Subrat Mohanty

No Rahul, please complete your question. I’ll come back on cost.

Unidentified Participant

Okay, so just to follow on. So just to clarify what Mohnish said. Earlier. This 300 basis point is to my understanding was on the. Was it the aggregate loan growth for the bank? So his remark was in context of the retail or the overall. That’s number one. Number two, just to clarify Raw, you all seen that the corporate book is better than rarerock than retail or you’re talking about in general the capital allocation. Because retail growth at some stage will start becoming strategic because of even the relationship on the liabilities side or the car relationship.

Subrat Mohanty

So Rahul, we have mentioned a couple of things consistently. One will maintain a growth which is better than necessary growth rate. Munish gave the numbers. We also mentioned in this call itself that over a period of time we’d like the ratio of retail, wholesale and SMEV to be in a certain zone. Which basically implies that at some stage retail also has to start contributing in the same way as what wholesale is doing today. Wholesale is way higher right now but at some stage we can, you know that will come down. Retail will pick up because the dispersal numbers definitely reflect that over the next couple of quarters the retail growth will start picking up and depending on the asset class in retail if you can manage credit costs.

We have talked about this that the red rock for retail businesses tends to be higher. If you do your client selection and all that well that does not mean that wholesale rack is lower. But wholesale unless you get the full relationship and the full value and the. Only thing you do is a loan. It does not work. Same thing with mortgage. The only thing you do is a retail mortgage loan. It does not work. So we obviously have very detailed, intensive comprehensive risk redox framework and we use that to decide which businesses can grow and that’s why we keep this balance. I hope that answers the question. Please you can answer the second one.

Puneet Sharma

So Rahul, on your cost question the way I would request you to think about costs is as follows. Please think about cost to assets on a full year basis rather than quarter by quarter. When retail disbursements improve, we will see costs increase because there is a sourcing component, cost component to retail disbursements, but that does get compensated in part on the fee income line because we realize some amount of processing fees to offset that cost. Keeping that aside for the moment, directionally you should see cost to assets improve as we get efficiency into the business.

And that’s how you should think about our cost to assets on a go forward basis. So efficiency from where we reported today.

Unidentified Participant

Got it. Appreciate the responses. Thank you so much.

operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this will be the last question for today which is from the line of Param Subramanian from Investec. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Participant

Yeah, hi, good evening. Thanks for taking my question. First question is on the NIM movement in the quarter. So you know you’ve reported it’s down 9 basis point quarter on quarter. So if I look at Your NII at 4% quarter on quarter, it’s largely in line with your loan growth and your asset growth. So is it that, you know, the growth that we saw in the last quarter was back ended and so you know, the averages have grown. Is my understanding correct there? Yeah, that’s my first question because it doesn’t tally with the NII movement.

Puneet Sharma

Param. Thanks for your question. I think a good way to anchor the response is to anchor the response to slide 9 of our investor presentation. Effectively we explain the 9 basis points as 1 bip of extra interest reversal compared to the previous quarter due to seasonality of the quarter. 8 basis points is spread compression. Broadly, I would request you to think about the 8 basis points as a reasonable portion of the 8 basis points coming from makeshift in the book. So what you’ve seen is wholesale proportionality move up compared to retail proportionality. Now that’s playing through on full full quarter basis as we move forward in time.

So there’s a advances mix impact on margins that plays through in the eight basis points. And second there is a liability mix impact that’s playing through in margins. Given that for the system and us, the incremental CASA ratio is not at the same levels as the book CASA ratio. Those are the two variables that have played through from a margin compression standpoint. The pulls and pushes of what the average balance is or when the growth is will differ quarter to quarter. But those are the two big variables that have impacted margin decline in the current period.

Unidentified Participant

That’s very helpful. Just to follow up on that so this mix shift that has happened over the last two quarters where corporate has become picked up in the mix by about two and a half percent like you called out, is it, you know, well reflected in the current quarter nims and yields or is there some more pass through in Q4 that that still has to reflect? Yeah.

Puneet Sharma

So like we said Param, we are focusing on NII optimization through the year. So effectively given what opportunities present them themselves in the current quarter, we will take a considered decision on where we grow for in the current quarter. So if there’s a further mix shift, it will impact margins. That’s the natural response I can provide you. The other impact on margins in Q4 as I had called out earlier was the full pass through of the 25 basis points repo rate cut offset by deposit repurposing pricing in part.

Unidentified Participant

Fair enough. Thanks Puneet, just one last question. I didn’t pick up your response to what is the impact of the new LCR calculation from FY27 on your reported numbers? Yeah, that’s it from me. Thank you so much.

Puneet Sharma

Thank you. I think we would be neutral on the change from where we stand today.

operator

Thank you. As that was the last question for today, I now hand the conference over to Mr. Puneet Sharma for closing comments. Thank you. And over to you sir.

Puneet Sharma

Thank you Michelle. Thank you everyone for taking the time to speak with us this evening. For any unanswered questions, the IR team and myself will be available. So please do feel free to reach out to us. Thank you and have a good evening.

operator

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