JM Financial Limited (NSE: JMFINANCIL) Q3 2026 Earnings Call dated Feb. 06, 2026
Corporate Participants:
Vishal Kampani — Vice Chairman and Managing Director
Nishit Shah — Managing Director and Group Chief Financial Officer
Manish Sheth — Managing Director and Chief Executive Officer
Chirag Negandhi — Managing Director
Sonia Dasgupta — Managing Director and Chief Executive Officer, Investment Banking
Analysts:
Digant Haria — Analyst
Shubhranshu Mishra — Analyst
Dhruv Zobalia — Analyst
Aadarsh Pincha — Analyst
Jai prakash — Analyst
Yog Rajani — Analyst
Akshay Jawahar — Analyst
Himanshu Upadhyay — Analyst
Sudarshan — Analyst
Dhruvesh Sanghvi, — Analyst
Presentation:
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Sa. Ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon and welcome to the earnings conference call for JM Financial limited. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen only mode and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. Should you need assistance during the conference call, please signal an operator by pressing Star then zero on your touchstone phone. Kindly note that any forward looking statements made on this call are based on the management’s current expectations. However, the actual results may vary significantly and therefore the accuracy and completeness of this expectation cannot be guaranteed.
Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now have the conference over to Mr. Vishal Khampani. Thank you. And over to you sir.
Vishal Kampani — Vice Chairman and Managing Director
Thank you. Warm welcome to all of you to discuss our earnings and financial results for the quarter and nine months ended December 25th. We have uploaded our results presentation press release both on the website and stock exchange. I hope you guys have had a chance to go through this on the call. We also have Sonia, Chirag, Manish and Amitabh and Nishit. Most of you are familiar with our management team that comes on the call every quarter. And with that I will give a few key updates on the quarter and nine months and then I’ll hand it over to Nishit who will take you all through the numbers.
We are very happy to report on the progress on all of our strategies. We with our consolidated pact for nine months crossing 1000 crores and the operating PAT also for the quarter ended December is at 244 crores which is a 17% increase in operational PAT. Q1Q sorry yoy on the fees and commission side our income has increased yoy by 32% to 306 crores. Again this reflects a very positive environment for deal making, wealth management and a lot of transactions that we are seeing being executed in our pipeline. And it also shows a healthy growth of 20% plus YOY for three straight quarters.
And as I said that the pipeline of transactions still remains extremely Strong. On the IPO side we have deals of over 120,000 crores filed as of December 31st which we expect to execute over the next 12 to 18 months. And this is after all of the execution completed in the last nine months. And happy to note that even our pipeline on the MA side on the private market size side is building in a very healthy way. We’re seeing a renewed interest on the credit side as well. Considering a little bit of the volatility witnessed on the equity side.
The expansion in wealth management and asset management business continues to be on track, we’ve got approval for two alternative funds, our real estate fund as well as pre IPO fund which came in literally this week. And I think we should see a strong launch as well as a good AUM that we’ll be able to gather this year from these two funds. And performance for the quarter in wealth and asset management in terms of profitability is impacted again by increase in investments both in talent as well as infrastructure, physical infrastructure in terms of branches and also investments in technology and digital.
And I think we will continue to invest, as I’ve said, we will use calendar year 26 also as a year of investments to increase the size and the reach of both the wealth management and the asset management businesses. And the wealth management business includes of course our entire retail broking franchise from a secondary perspective as well as the sales teams that we are building from a primary distribution and lower ticket retail and elite wealth management perspective on the affordable housing business. Happy to report our customer base has crossed 30,000 and our AUM saw 23% YoY growth to approximately 3200 crores.
The business has performed very well. There was a bit of a spike in terms of npa, bit of a spike in terms of, you know, challenge in terms of some collections in the last six to nine months. Manish will talk more about that. But I think we are behind that and we’ve seen good growth. And I think again we’ll continue to invest in this business over the next year to two years and we expect that we should be able to grow this business on a yoy basis for the next three years at over 25%. So with that I will pass the call on to Nishit who will take all of you through the financials in a lot more detail and then we’ll open it up for questions.
Nishit Shah — Managing Director and Group Chief Financial Officer
Thank you. Vishal. Consolidated profit after tax after minority interest increased by 50% year on year to rupees 313 crore and by 69% year on year to rupees 1037 crores for the nine months FY26 in Q3, FY26 there is an income on account of receipt of interest on income tax refund amounting to rupees 113 crore. And statutory impact of new labor codes amounting to rupees 21 crore. Operating profit after tax adjusted for such impact stood at 244 crore resulting in a year on year increase of 17% and rupees 968 crore for nine months FY26 resulting in a year on year growth of 58%, the consolidated net worth excluding minority interest stood at rupees 10,418 crore resulting in a book value per share of approximately one hundred and nine rupees onto our business segments corporate advisory and capital markets.
This includes the investment banking and institutional equities businesses. During quarter three we closed 12 capital market transactions aggregating to approximately 36,000 crores. In addition, documents have been filed for 54 IPOs aggregating to an issue size of approximately 1,21,000 crores and there is a pipeline of MA advisory as well as other capital market transactions over and above this. On a y o y basis, net revenue for third quarter FY26 increased by 30% to rupees 210 crore and operating profit after tax increased by 12% to rupees 89 crores. For nine months FY26 net revenue increased by 30% to rupees 670 crores and operating profit after tax increased 39% YoY to rupees 308 crores.
Wealth and asset Management in line with our earlier guidance, we are rapidly expanding on the wealth management and the asset management business. On the recruitment fund for the wealth management business, our sales and RM strength has increased by 41% year on year to 1057 employees. On physical expansion On a year on year basis, branches have increased by 11 to 73 branches and franchisees have increased by 27 to 9. 22. The recurring AUM of all our wealth businesses grew by 33% year on year to rupees 33,100 crores. The proportion of recurring to total AUM has increased to 29% on a YoY basis, net revenue for quarter 3 FY26 increased by 7% to rupees 181 crore and operating profit after tax stood at rupees 19 crore as against rupees 30 crores earlier.
The performance for the quarter has been impacted by investments in physical and digital infrastructure expansion as well as on account of talent recruitment. For nine month FY26 net revenue increased by 10% to rupees 581 crores and operating profit after tax stood flat at rupees 93 crores. On the mutual fund space, the average AUM from non liquid funds has increased by 15% year on year to approximately 12,000 crore. The employee strength in the asset management business has increased 15% year on year to 211 employees. The pipeline launch of alternative investment funds is extremely strong for our asset management business.
Loss after minority interest for for quarter three FY26 stood at rupees nine crore as compared to eight crore for the same period last year. For nine months FY26 loss after minority interest stood at rupees 25 crore as against rupees 19 crore for nine months FY25. We continue to invest in our wealth and asset management businesses. Private Markets this segment comprises of Private credit which is corporate, bespoke, real estate and Distressed credit and investments which include private investments, private equity funds as well as REITs, etc. Private Markets is a very differentiated platform with a focus on providing solutions to our clients.
Private Markets has witnessed a robust pipeline of syndication transactions and is continuing strong progress in recoveries. During the quarter we successfully closed a large transaction of approximately 3,300 crore on a syndication basis. Further, there is a strong pipeline in the distressed credit space recoveries as well. Operating profit after tax after minority interest increased by 82% on a year on year basis to rupees 111 crore for nine months FY26 operating profit before tax grew five times to rupees 624 crore and operating profit after tax after minority interest grew by almost four times to rupees 466 crore.
Affordable home loan Segment this segment includes our affordable home loans business. We have a branch network now of 135 and a customer base of over 30,000. AUM has increased by 23% year on year to approximately 3200 crore. Revenue for the third quarter FY26 increased by 27% year on year to rupees 118 crore and operating profit after tax after minority interest increased by 53% to rupees 22 crore as against 14 crore for the same period last year. For nine months FY26 revenue increased by 24% year on year to rupees 328 crore and operating profit after tax after Minority interest increased by 32% year on year to rupees 49 crores.
With this update I would like to hand over the call to the moderator and open the floor for questions.
Questions and Answers:
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Digant Haria
Thanks for the opportunity. Vishal. First question is that see this quarter, the third quarter markets were weak and you know, we had a lot of new opex coming in our wealth and even the capital markets division. So would it be safe to say that we have probably reached a trough in terms of profitability in these two divisions and as markets recover, our businesses recover, the profits may grow actually faster than the revenue. If you can just highlight on these two divisions.
Vishal Kampani
Yes. So I think both these divisions though, they have a common underlying trend of capital market activity. They operate a little differently. The capital markets and corporate advisory business is obviously highly deal related. And what we actually monitor is where the pipeline is healthy and what percentage of the pipeline we can actually put through over the next one year to 18 months. And there’s always volatility which sets in because of geopolitics or FBI selling or there are always reasons in the markets where sometimes deals get pushed out on a quarter or two quarter basis. But the underlying momentum and the breadth of the business that we are seeing today, I mean I’ve never seen it in my career of the last three decades.
So it remains very strong. The activity levels that we anticipate over the next foreseeable future, one, two and three years, will remain very, very strong. So it’s just better to see how we perform on this business and in larger gaps and from a peak to peak perspective than looking at it purely from a quarter on quarter. So you’re right, you may just, we had a very strong, you know, Q2 and you may have a very strong Q4, you may have a strong and a good Q1 and Q3. But overall are we on, are we tracking our internal budgets in the business? We’re actually ahead of our budgets in this business.
So that is how the capital market and corporate advisory business works. And therefore we give a sneak peek into where the pipeline is in terms of how it’s building, how it’s being executed and how we are ramping up on certain measures like equity, research, coverage, etc. Which are super critical to even the primary issuance business. On wealth and asset management, the story for us is very different. This is, as I’ve always said, a long haul business. Our brand, JM Financial deserves to be much larger in these businesses and we will just continue to invest. We’ve done that for the last almost two years and I think we will do that this year as well.
And the size of our business needs to be much larger in terms of distribution and the client Touch points that we’re able to reach. This is the most exciting part of the business that we are building and we’ll continuously invest. So again, here you will see volatility which sets in from two aspects of the business. One is broking volumes, broking being a significant portion of this revenue. And second for us as we build wealth management, we have a lot of transactional income which we as a house does not want to lose. While our focus will always be on recurring revenues, but being a transaction house, we’re able to put through a lot of innovative products as well as exciting pre ipos, et cetera, et cetera for our client base in wealth management.
And we’ll continuously pound the floor to make sure that we are making those products available for our clients. So the volatility in the business remains high only from a revenue perspective in brokerage as well as in transactional deals. But again, the transactional part from a two to three year perspective, just like the investment banking business is very strong, the pipeline is extremely strong and will continue to do well. Brokerage, we are solidly expanding. In fact, I think we’ve had the least disruption in terms of growth among most of our competition in terms of our brokerage revenue purely because of the expansion we’ve done in terms of branches and people.
And we will continue our focus on making our wealth RMS more and more productive. We are in the recruitment phase. As I mentioned on my last few calls, a large part of our recruitment phase gets completed somewhere around June, July of 2026, which is this year. And there will be an intense focus on productivity which has already begun again this year. So that sort of sums up how we look at these two businesses.
Digant Haria
Perfect. Thanks Vishal for those detailed answers. Second question is on the private, on the private credit division, you know, the income line item has actually started moving up. You know, it’s positive after a long time. Just wanted to hear your thoughts on, you know, when does this loan book also start moving up? You know, our focus loan book is still around 4200 crores. Like, you know, at what stage does this also start moving up?
Vishal Kampani
Yeah, so as I said that from where the loan book stands Today, I think 20% YoY growth is something for the next three years. We are comfortable in terms of building, but again, I want to be very focused on syndication for example. We could have taken more assets on our balance sheet last quarter but we chose not to and we chose to increase the fee component. So I’m very happy and pleased with the way the business is Getting built out. Again, as I said, our credit pipeline is looking stronger. We are having a lot of integrated efforts between our credit funds as well as our balance sheets to put some interesting transactions through for our clients on the wealth side, asset management side as well as the institutional side.
So I think it will be a judicious call we will take in terms of how much exposure we want to have in transactions that we underwrite. But yes, the target is 20% growth on the book side. But don’t hold me to it. It could be 15, it could be 10, could be even 25. It’s just a decision we take every quarter in terms of our hold in terms of risk adjusted returns as well as the demand for many papers in terms of syndication. But I must highlight that I feel the next two years we will also see heightened activity in the private credit space.
We’re getting the feelers for it in the last six months to nine months. I think a lot of, lot of deal volume growth will be visible over the next two to three years.
Digant Haria
Perfect. So Vishal, even if the loan book may not go up, the income line item will keep moving up. Right? Because if we do syndication also at least the fee income part.
Vishal Kampani
Yeah, yeah. See I think, I mean you’ve seen our business very closely. I think the reason the income line has not moved up is because the real estate book has degrown from 10,000 crores to almost 1100 crores today. Right. That’s almost a 90% reduction in the wholesale real estate book. I mean two years back or three years back the concerns were will we see NPAs, will we have some issues in terms of recoveries. And I’m very happy to report that one must focus on the quality of underwriting that we’ve done. That the 10,000 crore real estate loan book has actually got repaid and refinanced through a good cycle and it’s down to almost thousand crores today.
Also on the real estate side, which I highlighted I think a quarter or two quarters ago, is that we’re going to see normalized pricing for construction finance in the next two to three years. And I definitely see some pickup in activity in real estate, both lending and careful lending as well as syndication. Because I think the rosy period of residential sales booming is kind of over. It’ll be a normalized cycle and a normalized cycle is when you will see construction finance pick up. So I think that itself again, I think there is a trough. Clearly in terms of the real estate book, it will only grow from here.
So I think you can assume that, yes, 2000 calendar, I mean, FY26 probably is the bottom of the, you know, income, income reduction on the private market side.
Digant Haria
Thank you so much. Last question is on the housing finance. I think we had a great performance after, you know, quite some time, especially on the profit side. So can this momentum be maintained, you know, like what we saw because we were on an expansion phase till now, just like, you know, how do we look at the profitability part going ahead?
Vishal Kampani
Yeah, Vanesh will take that.
Manish Sheth
So Dante, good question. Generally, housing finance industry as such, quarter three and quarter four, always better in terms of availability of water in Tier 2, Tier 3, City versus Quarter 1. So this, I think momentum will continue in terms of profit and we will see similar kind of profit in quarter four as well.
Digant Haria
Perfect. Thank you. Thank you everyone for your time and all the best.
Vishal Kampani
Thank you.
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Thank you. We take the next question from the line of Shubranshru Mishra from Philip Capital. Please go ahead.
Shubhranshu Mishra
Hi team. Three questions. The first one is on the wealth management. We’ve added a couple of rms. So what do we think of the AUM per RM going forward in the next two, three years? What is our aspiration there? Second, if we can split our wealth management revenue into a few line items, how much is coming from advisory, so on and so forth? The third is around affordable housing. We’ve seen stellar growth in the Asian. However, when we heard the rest of a couple of other affordable housing finance companies, they spoke of a slowdown. There were certain states or certain contiguous districts in say Gujarat and Tamil Nadu which had tepid growth.
So if we can give finer details of how we look at the growth and decompose the growth maybe into, you know, what state is contributing to that. And the fourth is we had spoken about the deal pipeline at a systemic level, I think a couple of quarters ago, if Vishal can speak about it, you know, what are we thinking about the deal pipeline at a systemic level for the next five to seven years and how do we see ourselves positioning there? Thanks.
Vishal Kampani
Sure. So let me have Chirag take on the wealth management questions. Manish will take the affordable housing and I’ll come back to deal pipeline in the end. Yeah. Hi, Chirag here.
Chirag Negandhi
So on the wealth management side, you’re right. We’ve added quite a few new RNs and the idea is that we continue to build out our distribution as we bring in more products as well. So Vishal mentioned earlier that the real estate fund and the pre IPO fund, which we just recently received the permission. For both will go out. So that is also part of the endeavor to both to not only allow us to increase the recurring revenue but also to allow us to expand our client base thereby enhancing the distribution so that we can push other and offer other products through this pipe. And the wealth management RM expansion is. Precisely part of that plan. So we knew that these products were coming up. We wanted to make sure that we had the distribution in place before we officially started offering these products. And that only helps us increase the client touch points that we have.
Shubhranshu Mishra
So what’s the aspiration for AGM for RM in the next two to three years?
Vishal Kampani
Sorry, I couldn’t understand the question.
Shubhranshu Mishra
So what is the aspirational number that we have for AUM per RM relationship manager in the next two to three years?
Vishal Kampani
So we’re, you know the, a lot of the buildup that we’ve done is very recent. So what we will expect that over. The next two to three years you’ll see AUM expansion upwards of 25% per annum and that you know, and we don’t expect to now ramp up the. RM base too much. We are at least done for the. Next 12 months where there will be. Replacements but nothing beyond that. And I think that you start seeing this number moving up quite significantly in. Terms of what it means for AUM per rm. Manish.
Manish Sheth
So on affordable housing the question was about the stellar growth and can we continue maintaining this kind of a growth. Answer is that to my mind it is not a stellar growth. It is a calibrated 23% growth and which is what I think we are going to maintain. In terms of geography we are largely present 50% of the business coming from Gujarat and Maharashtra where we have a stronghold and our disbursement continues to be in the same range. Per productivity per RM is almost similar what we were expecting at the beginning of the year and that continues to do well in terms of non performing assets across all the states are coming under control and last quarter and last month we have seen a real uptick in terms of our collection efficiency.
So hopefully this kind of a growth we can expect even next year as well.
Shubhranshu Mishra
One question on the wealth management remained unanswered. If you can split the revenue into various line items like what is coming from Advisory zone.
Nishit Shah
Yeah, so. Hi Nishitiya. So basically the recurring revenue component which includes the income generated on the recurring AUM as well as the interest income that would be approximately 50% and the balance would be the broking income as well as the transaction related Income So it’s roughly around 50% each.
Shubhranshu Mishra
Understood, thanks.
Vishal Kampani
Also, you know, further to what Chirag said, I think today when we look at revenue per rm, it’s not or AUM per rm, it’s not a very important metric that will help you because the RM count has gone in the wealth management side from 40 to 205 and the sales team count overall has gone from 350 to 1050. So I think what will really help and we will start giving those numbers from next year is actually comparable AUM growth when the full team by June, July is almost higher. So that will give you a very good comparison in terms of what the recurring revenue growth is from the recurring assets as well as what is the transactional volume growth and what is the customer base that we are adding across private wealth management, elite wealth management, which are our two divisions in wealth management as well as the broking sales people.
Because when you have such a high volume of growth in terms of the recruitment that you’ve done, you need 18 months, 12 to 18 months for the AUM pickup to happen. Coming to your question on the pipeline, as I said, even three years back that India, three or four years back that India is on the cusp of being one of the biggest capital markets in the world. And I think we’re already on that trajectory. I see solid growth in the next six, seven years. I think we’re extremely stable economy with very, very low downside, a very stable political environment, a very charged up startup ecosystem, extremely charged up private equity and venture capital investment system, tons of financial capital moving away from the banking system to the capital market system looking for higher yields.
Basically investors are actually becoming investors from being savers. And so I think this trend is not going to stop. You may see some short term volatility which you will see in any business. But I think from a seven to eight years perspective, all on whether it’s equity capital markets, private credit, private equity markets, M and A, we will just see businesses getting larger and bigger.
Shubhranshu Mishra
And where do we see ourselves positioned here in terms of say market share, revenue updates on and so forth.
Vishal Kampani
So I think I would broadly put over a longer term, five to seven year period, you should see anywhere between 13 to 15% kind of revenue growth. But the profitability growth should be anywhere in the high teens for this business. Because as we scale, as deals get larger and as more and more new products are introduced, where you have better margins, all the capital markets, corporate advisory, wealth management businesses will get bigger and more profitable. So we keep investing as I said and the idea, the most important thing for us will be to maintain quality.
It’s very important. The talent pool in some of the businesses is very Limited. Before 2020, for almost 10 years there was very limited investment in the capital market space, the equity space. And so sometimes getting the right talent, the best quality talent and that too at the right levels of compensation can be difficult. So one has to wait out, maybe sometimes be a bit more patient and manage how you choose your business from a margin perspective in a smarter way. But having said that, over the next five to seven years, I don’t today I don’t see anything really stopping India from this 7.8percent growth trajectory that we are on.
Two spaces that India can of course do better will be AI. We don’t clearly have a spot in AI, but I can assure you that everything that I hear, our government and many of the large corporations are very focused in making sure that India pivots and finds its spot on AI. And the second big growth engine in the world is defence, where again I think the make in India opportunities are being driven very hard by the government to make sure that we find our spot in the sun. In defense infrastructure, you already know what is going on.
There are large projects which the government is undertaking and there is a lot of growth in infrastructure spending. So as long as infrastructure spending continues and we’ll find a spot, which I’m confident of in AI and defense, that will boost growth even more from the 7, 8% levels and that will clearly help our transactional business, our deal pipeline business, as well as what we are building long term in wealth management, asset management.
Shubhranshu Mishra
And so thank you so much. Best of luck for NC importers.
Vishal Kampani
Thank you.
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Thank you. We take the next question from the line of Varun Bahal from Plotus Investment. Please go ahead. Varun, please unmute your line and proceed with your question. Since there is no response, we move on to the next question which is from the line of Dhruv Zobalia from Prospero Tree Financial Services. Please go ahead.
Dhruv Zobalia
Hello sir, Am I audible?
Vishal Kampani
Yes, go ahead.
Dhruv Zobalia
Yes, thank you for the opportunity. I have a question regarding the merchant banking side of the business. I want to ask that the merchant banking pipeline of GM financial is very strong of around 54 IPOs and I think in this current month of January there was only, there was only one IPO executed. So what is stopping JM from executing more IPOs? Is it the market conditions or is it the SEBI approvals?
Vishal Kampani
No, it is purely market conditions. I think SEBI is Doing a great job. Better than ever in terms of getting approvals out for companies that want to list. It’s only market conditions. When you have a lot of volatility because of the pending US trade deals, the sudden increase in prices of gold and silver and some exports selling, then it’s. It’s hard in volatility to get transactions done. So it’s purely market conditions. As soon as the market conditions get better and stabilize the deal activity will. Will come back.
Dhruv Zobalia
Okay, thank you sir. And also there’s a follow up question also. How many IPOs are SEBI approved? Like there are 54 IPOs in the pipeline. So how many of them are approved by sebi?
Vishal Kampani
Yeah, Sonia can answer that question.
Sonia Dasgupta
So you know of the DRH fees that have been filed, which is 54, we have close to around 30 which are already approved by SEBI. Okay, thank you. That’s all from my side.
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Thank you. We take the next question from the line of Adarsh from Nijan Capital. Please go ahead.
Aadarsh Pincha
Hello. Am I audible?
Vishal Kampani
Yes, go ahead.
Aadarsh Pincha
Yeah. My question was regarding the consolidated PAT which is 313 crores. If we strip out the 113 crore interest or income tax refunds and the 21 crore exceptional, the new labor codes are core operating revenue appears to have contracted. Could you explain the reason for this decline despite bull market in the investment segment?
Nishit Shah
Yeah. So as we alluded to earlier in the call, there has been a significant decline in the loan book and which is by design when you’re comparing the revenues, the interest income for the same period last year was significantly higher. So that is the reason why you see sort of a dip when you compare it on a year on year basis. The second part of your question, if we were to sort of take it on an operating PAT basis the number would be about 244 crore which is a 17% increase over last year. Same period.
Aadarsh Pincha
Got it. Okay. That was, that was it from my side. Thank you.
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Thank you. We take the next question from the line of Jay Prakash from Corman Capital. Please go ahead.
Jai prakash
My question is related to real estate book which we are building up now. Am I audible?
Vishal Kampani
Yes, go ahead.
Jai prakash
Yeah. So my question is we have seen a lot of this area related job losses and we already said that the razor picture of real estate has. Is oi. And. Given that these job buses and all that there will be a lot of impact on real estate markets in let’s say Bangalore and all these IT hubs. So what approach you are taking and if you can talk about your geographic Exposure as well, like how much is to these IT hubs and if you can just give some color around to give us comfort around your real estate book.
Vishal Kampani
Yeah. So I think first of all our real estate book as I said is contracted by 90%. It’s down to 1000 crores. And because of a very strong sales momentum, extraordinarily strong sales momentum, last three, four years, there was not much of a drawdown on construction finance. So I’m not, as, I’m not saying I’m negative where you’re going to see no real estate residential sales. I said you’re not going to see the cycle, the strong super cycle that we saw in the last three years and marketing budgets and spending time on actually selling is going to become more important by most developers and therefore the drawdown on construction finance may actually happen.
And I think financing rates may become more attractive than they’ve been in the last two to three years. So that is the strategy on real estate. Now while I mean India, yes, India may face job losses in certain industries. I think there will be other industries which will be able to provide jobs as well, you know, and there’s a big thrust on infrastructure, as I said, there’s a big trust on defense, there’s a big trust on manufacturing. So there will be lot of jobs being created in those spaces which I think will be able to offset some of the job losses that you will see in IT services.
Having said that, there’s a very strong momentum in GCC where there is a lot of value added work which most foreign companies today, international companies today are outsourcing to India. And the growth on the GCC side is still intact and that sector continues to do very well, which again adds to jobs. So of course we will be very careful of where we lend money and where we build assets along with our developer counterparts. But the areas of focus will continue to remain the big cities which will be Bombay, Delhi, Pune, Bangalore. That’s where I think you’re able to find high quality developers and a better sort of risk adjusted returns.
Jai prakash
Okay. And given that your focus totally is on the private markets. So when, when demand get impacted, I, I, I understand there was a deliberate downsizing of the book, but how, how do we go from here? Especially your fee generation as well. Right. That will depend on how much you can syndicate syndication also, if there is any realistic angle to it on the syndication side also if you can give a color.
Vishal Kampani
Yeah. So our syndication business will be across real estate, across corporate, across distress, across private equity. It is not restricted to only corporate. And as I said that it’s hard to tell you how much book growth we will see in each segment, but I think a 20% kind of growth on balance sheet should be doable. Corporate has done a lot better in the last two, three years. I think there will be some pickup in real estate book over the next two to three years for sure. And corporate I think will see a pickup. But corporate also will see a lot more syndication.
Right now, the amount of FCI credit funds as well as the local credit funds that are keen to put money to work in India credit is very exciting.
Jai prakash
Got it. Got it. Thank you.
operator
Thank you. We take the next question from the line of Yogya Rajani from Omega Portfolio Advisors. Please go ahead.
Yog Rajani
Hi. Thank you for taking my question. So as I say, the cash and cash equivalents have fallen from 5,800 crores to around 3,200 crores from last year. Could it be possible for you to explain the reason for the decrease and what the future trajectory would look like?
Vishal Kampani
Yeah, so I think that’s a very good question. One is if you actually see our revenues for the quarter comparable. Last year it had obviously a higher treasury income because the cash balances were higher. And this time we have a much lower treasury income because the cash balances are lower. So in fact, the quality of revenue and the increase in fee and commission income is grown at 32%. And the mix of revenue actually is much more operational in nature. The reason the cash balance was reduced is because we purchased the minority stake of our partners in Jane Financial Credit Solutions and that’s why the cash was used to buy that stake.
And Credit Solutions now has become 100% subsidiary of Jane Financial Limited. And we also get the benefit of consolidating that business 100%.
Yog Rajani
Okay, that’s great. Could you also let me know what the value of our liquid investments is. On our balance sheet?
Vishal Kampani
As of 31st December, the number will be in excess of 2000 crores.
Yog Rajani
Okay. All right. Thank you.
operator
Thank you. We take the next question from the line of Akshay Jawahar, who is an individual investor. Please go ahead.
Akshay Jawahar
Yeah. Hi. Am I audible?
Vishal Kampani
Yes.
Akshay Jawahar
I had two questions. One is on the private market segment there. I want to understand that. Can we have an idea on what is the revenue from the Focus loan book like? I understand that, you know, over the last two years we’ve reduced the non core loan book. So when you look at the revenue on an overall level, there will be a decline. But I want to Understand that for a nine month to nine month period what is the revenue growth within the focused loan book?
Vishal Kampani
Yeah. So Nishit will take you through the numbers in detail but if you look at page 17 in our investor deck you will see how the focus loan book has moved and the two areas are real estate and bespoke and the non core loan book of FI Financing. And MSME has shrunk. Real estate obviously has gradually declined because we have not been lending and we are waiting for a better time in terms of risk adjusted returns to be able to start lending which I think begins this year. So I think we have a yield of approximately 13.5% and if you look at the quarter three and the quarter two loan book has been pretty stable, around 4,000 crores.
So that is the kind of yield we are making on that, on that book. So a simple calculation would put the number at almost 550 to 600 crores.
Akshay Jawahar
All right. And the other part was within the private markets we had basically I think made a provision of somewhere to the tune of a thousand crores. Right. And we were expecting somewhere like 300 odd crores over three years. Are we still on track to receive that by or any timeline by when we think we will?
Vishal Kampani
I think we are still on track. So I’ve said that roughly 900 to 1000 crores is what we will be able to recover. 1/3, 1/3, 1/3. And we are still on track. I think we’ve already done around 250 to 260 for nine months and hopefully, I think we should hopefully hit maybe 270, 280 by the year end. But don’t hold me to it because many of these are in surface action and NCLT approvals and there can be a slip. So hopefully this should be done. We also have some recoveries on our ARC end which have got approved by NCLT and they’re just waiting for the process to get completed.
So we are actually in total this 260 270crore cash release has happened. Our expectation over the next say five quarters could be between the ARC as well as the additional recoveries. We should expect another 750, 700 to 750 crores of further cash release in terms of these assets getting resolved. So I guided a number earlier on one of my calls of 1500 crores in total, 900,000 crores on the NBFC book, another 400 to 500 of cash release from the ARC. So so far, so far, fingers crossed, knock on wood.
Akshay Jawahar
We are on target. Okay, great. That’s good to know. My last question on the wealth management piece. So while we compare it on a year on year basis, we see, you know that the sales employees have increased the branch network and everything has gone up. But if I just Compare it with Q2 26 which is last quarter, there hasn’t been a very large increase in your sales employees and in your branch network. But why is it that the profitability of the wealth management in the current quarter versus the previous quarter has gone down significantly or am I looking at something wrong here?
Nishit Shah
So it’s a combination of multiple things. One is the transactional revenue itself is lower in this quarter compared to the second quarter of FY26 and as we continue you will see some of this. We’ve done a big part of the build out in terms of hiring RMs. You will see some volatility on a quarter on quarter basis as we now go out and launch the funds as well. Once we have all of this in place, I think a lot of this settles down. But you have to give this a little bit of time because we’ve just ramped up the RM base.
There is also transactional, the revenue on the transactional side there is some volatility in the markets just because of how the capital markets are and that’s showing up as well. As we ramp up our recurring revenues, as we ramp up our product suite and use our higher RM base, you’ll see this becoming a little bit more lenient.
Akshay Jawahar
What’s our target RM like? What is the target level for the RM that we’ll like for the RM and sales employees?
Nishit Shah
We’re doing this gradually so I think we’re done. We’re more than done for this year as we start building out the products and we will now add them as and when. This has been a big ramp up for us over the last 18 months or so. Now it’s a little bit more of getting teams wherever we need to plug the gaps, etc. It’s not going to be anywhere close to similar numbers in the next 18 to 24 months.
Vishal Kampani
So in terms of percentage growth of RNS it will be obviously lower in calendar year 26. And as I said earlier that there are few recruitments in place which will get closed by the June sort of month of June, July purely because of March 31 being the year end and some people moving towards post the year end. And then I think there will be a wait on the wealth and on the wealth management side to make sure that we are completely Focused next year on productivity gains and then we will relook again sometime in April, May, June 27, whether we want to add more people or not.
But the brokerage expansion which is the broking piece on the retail broker side will continue. We won’t stop on that. That’s a more low cost and a lower risk expansion that we’re able to do. And also plugging in sales of primary product through a lot of training that we’re doing of the RMs through a division that we have internally which focuses only on selling third party products and that will continue to push ahead on the expansion.
Akshay Jawahar
All right, thank you so much. No other questions.
operator
Thank you. We take the next question from the line of Himanshu Upadhya from Stratford Investment. Please go ahead.
Himanshu Upadhyay
Yeah, hi, good afternoon. My first question was to Manish. Okay Manish, when we look at the. GM financial home loan numbers, the gross NPA as a percentage reduces quite significantly, I think from nearly 1% to 0.26% YoY. And even our net NPA has reduced quite significantly. Any specific reason for such a drastic fall? Because we have not seen any increase in provisions or anything there or what led to such improvement.
Vishal Kampani
Yeah, Imanju, I heard you will ask this question on this call. So you know, so this quarter, okay, we have sold the npa first time in last eight years we got a good deal. We have sold a GROSS NPA worth 57 crore and it has been sold without hitting anything on the P and L. Basically that means our provisions were good enough to cover the expected losses and there is no incremental credit cost to the pl. That also freed up lot of bandwidth of the collection guys for the, you know, additional recoveries efforts which we put in on the bucket to bucket three cases.
And that has also shown the results as we speak.
Himanshu Upadhyay
Okay. And one more thing. So our provision coverage ratio remains 35%. Okay. And after this cycle also do you think that 35% is you are comfortable at some point of time will I need to increase or we like to take it higher?
Vishal Kampani
No, no, no. This is much comfortable and in fact proof of the pudding is that we actually exited with even similar kind of provision ratio without hitting the P.
Himanshu Upadhyay
Okay. Okay. Next question was on the EMC side of the business, okay. See when we are currently around 14,000 crore. Okay. And my fee will be nearly 50 crores for. 50. Okay. Which are quite significant. But even if my EU. Does not. See my gat or it can be getting positive. Imansa, I’m sorry to interrupt you but your order is not clear. Could you please repeat your question?
Vishal Kampani
Yeah.
Himanshu Upadhyay
Okay. Mutual fund side. Okay.
Vishal Kampani
Your audio is still not clear. Hello.
Himanshu Upadhyay
Hello.
operator
Yes Himanshu, please go ahead.
Himanshu Upadhyay
My question was on the AMC side. Okay. We are currently around 14,000 crores of mutual and we are locking around 11. To 12 crore of revenue per quarter which really reaches around 50 cr. Okay. Operating profit before tax is quite high. Okay. And just projecting of numbers now it. Seems even if my.
Vishal Kampani
You. We can’t hear you. Again lost you. I see you come back in the queue because it’s not clear. We can’t hear you.
operator
Thank you. We take the next question from the line of Sudarshan from Prosperity Wealth Management. Please go ahead.
Sudarshan
Yeah, I’m audible.
Vishal Kampani
Yes.
Sudarshan
Yeah. So my question is on the private credit, but if you can just give me a breakup of revenues between your interest component and syndication income fee component.
Vishal Kampani
Yeah, we’ll just pull it out and give it to you.
Sudarshan
And second bit. So you mentioned like your loan growth can be somewhere around 20% given syndication component can be higher which will bring down your loan component. So if you are to model in a number, is the ROE a better metric to look at when your Q3 exit is around 7%, what would be the internal target for next year?
Vishal Kampani
Yes, so I think the. Because the net worth in the business is quite large in this segment, it requires a lot of syndication volume to be pushed through for the fee incomes to be higher. So that is what we are focused on. But having said that, it cannot be at the cost of no growth in the loan book. And therefore our modeling is roughly a 15 20% growth in loan book but maybe a 30 to 40% increase in syndication volumes. So in short, assume that you have a 100 rupee loan book. You have to do 40 rupees or more business in which roughly 40% of that, so say 15 or 16 rupees stays on balance sheet but the balance has to be sold down at the minimum.
Nishit Shah
So to answer your question with respect to the income split, so roughly for the nine months, approximately 600 crore is on account of interest income largely from the NBFCs. The fees and commission income is roughly around 75 crores. And the rest of the income is with respect to the ARC business as well as some of the investments that we have in the private markets. So that is kind of the breakup of the income.
Sudarshan
Okay. Okay.
Vishal Kampani
ARC revenue is partly fees and part of it shows up in the fair value changes because all the investment that we hold are in the form of security receipts. And so the gains and losses depending on the exits that we do shows up in the changes in fair value.
Sudarshan
Okay, and on the HFC bet you mentioned you exited the GNPA portion. So was it to your own ERC or is it third party ac?
Nishit Shah
No, third party rc. It is not gmarc.
Sudarshan
Okay, and was it a cash settlement or is it a security guys?
Vishal Kampani
Fully cash settlement, no risk to our balance sheet.
Sudarshan
Okay. And these were 100% provided when you make the transaction?
Vishal Kampani
Yes.
Sudarshan
And so that’s it from my end.
operator
Thank you. We take the next question from the line of Dhruvesh Sanghvi from Prospero Cree Financial Services. Please go ahead.
Dhruvesh Sanghvi,
Yeah, hi. I just wanted to understand, you know you have been constantly saying that this has been one of the best few years and potentially a next five years out of your 30 year career in investment banking CACM areas. And if I have to just extrapolate that if things really work out the way you are imagining for the next couple of years, does the potential thousand crore number of the csem which we are already almost achieving in this year, does it go up to like 2000 crores? Is that a kind of a possibility or. I mean if I’m just gazing a little bit ahead and how much of the team expansion is required in this business because this essentially is a very team or a human centric business of relationships.
So does it automatically mean that we will also have to look at a massive team expansion in the same area again?
Vishal Kampani
Yeah, so these are all great questions. Let me just take it one by one. So one is generally if your economy is expanding at a certain rate, your capital markets will generally expand at least 1.5 times that rate. There is no science to it, but generally observed in western markets, if you go back to the history of in the US or in Japan, when there was a solid expansion in GDP and a lot of growth, the capital market expanded 1.5 to 2 times of GDP growth. So if capital markets are expanding at say 12 to 15% in the country brand like ours, and if you’re focused on the business and able to do more deals, then I think we should be able to expand faster.
So that’s why the revenue growth numbers in terms of growth should be minimum at a 15% level. And if there is less volatility, which we’ve seen, all of us have seen as capital market players from geopolitics, then of course that number can be even as high as 20%. Now when you have 15 to 20% kind of revenue growth, how do you make that growth more profitable? One is you choose the right deals and the right transactions. Like sometimes people feel it’s great to be part of a big deal, but a big deal is not necessarily a big fee paying deal.
And sometimes a big deal has many large, too many number of banks on the transaction. So you have to choose where your resources can get deployed from a profitability perspective. And that is what we are constantly focused on. But having said that, the most interesting part of the business is the breadth. We used to have a lot of repeat business from say 20 clients even 15 years ago. And that really mattered a lot in terms of our revenue growth and profitability. And that has completely changed. It’s just the universe of clients has become so large that the breadth of the business has completely changed.
And that gets into the question of recruitment that you have to recruit more and more. Challenge is that there is an explosion of cost on the talent side when you want to hire. And you may not really get the right quality every time. So it’s also a difficult human resource challenge that you face when you’re expanding like this. So it’s a challenging time in terms of high revenue growth and how you maintain your market share. But it’s fun. We definitely would choose this over a silent market. And on top of that, there’s also a very strong flywheel between what we do on the corporate advisory and capital market side.
It feeds in, in a big way into our wealth management business in terms of transactional revenue. It may not be happening every quarter, but even if we get it right two quarters in a year, it adds to ROE in a significant way with no additional cost because all of the original origination costs sit in the investment bank. And third, the flywheel also operates into our private markets business. And as our private markets business becomes bigger on the equity and the lending side, we will be originating a lot of the companies that eventually will go public or do M and A right from our private markets business.
Second, as our wealth management gets bigger over the next two years or three years, we will originate a lot of private companies who will need our capital market support in terms of deals and transactions and advisory, which again adds to origination without really recruiting as much in the CACM segment. So it’s a nice flywheel. Sometimes it feels a bit fluid because a lot of the teams are expanding, a lot of people are working on execution, but I feel it will all come together and that’s when you see the power of the franchise playing through over the next two, three years.
Dhruvesh Sanghvi,
Okay, okay. And so slightly a little bit specific towards the. I mean I understand the flywheel effect completely now and you have been talking about it many years and partially executed now. So I appreciate it. But that is going to take some time. But if I have to see from a three year landscape and let’s say we have this explosion in deals and all that, I would assume that the margins in the CACM cannot expand from what where we are today because it is a people centric business and the incentivization needs to be done accordingly.
Vishal Kampani
Yeah, that’s right. So it’s very important to have the revenue growth between 15 to 20%. And as I said, it’s how you choose your business. Right. So let me give you a small example. The transaction that we put through on the syndication side, the large transaction last quarter was Vodafone. Right. It was a bond issue which our team worked with. The Vodafone team structured a very interesting bond which explained the risk dynamic and placed it with a lot of institutional investors. The origination effort in terms of knowing the client was practically zero because we know the client for almost three decades and I’ve been working with the Birla Group for very long.
This is just an example I’m giving you. Right. So it’s a core understanding. The coverage of the client is already in place and the transaction was fully executed by our private markets division even though the relationship sits in our investment banking division. So you will see a lot of the flywheel effect of this. Once you strengthen and these teams become bigger, there is a lot of cross selling which you will see is possible. And also see cross selling at the retail level and cross selling at the institutional level are very different. And institutional cross selling is a lot easier on the super high net worth between private markets, capital market cross selling is a lot easier at the individual level.
When you really go down retail and like banks, you have to cross sell. That’s when you need a different kind of process and a different kind of system. At the institutional level, it’s about fixing the right revenue shares and fixing the right incentives which makes people move and originate and execute these transactions.
Dhruvesh Sanghvi,
Right. Great. I have two more questions. I’ll ask the capital allocation first. In terms of 24,000 crore balance sheet, like how do you personally think about 24,000 crores? Like I mean as a owner of the company, how do you think about this money that okay, this much is here, this month is here and this is what my expectations are in the next five years.
Vishal Kampani
Yeah. So I think you Know, when you look at the 24,000 crore balance sheet, a significant portion of that capital is actually allocated and sits in our private markets business, right? It is. And that is partly kind of a legacy because we had built these NBSCs to do a lot of business on balance sheet. For example land financing, which regulatory cannot be done on a balance sheet any longer. And as I said earlier that we’ll pay out a healthy amount of dividends from the profitability of those businesses and so we don’t need to bloat the capital further in the private market space.
On the home loan side, we are pretty well covered in terms of capital over the next five years. We don’t need to raise any primary capital outside. We fully funded the business for their growth wealth management. For us, the beauty of the business is that the traditional broking business is very profitable. If I were to strip out the investments made in wealth management as well as digital, the core profit before tax is almost excess of 200 crores in that business. So that itself allows for funding and growth to happen in that business without any further capital allocation.
Asset management will continue to allocate capital because we want to make that business bigger. The capital allocation there over the next two years till it becomes profitable will be funding losses as well as investments that we will make in our real estate fund as well as our pre IPO fund for growth, corporate advisory and capital markets. We really don’t see any further capital allocation. It’s extremely high ROE business and doesn’t require too much of capital. So now when you look at the breakup of this capital employed, I think you already have a very high ROE business in corporate advisory and capital markets.
You have asset management and wealth management which is going through a massive investment phase. The investment phase sort of will complete shortly in the next year or two years. And then with the gains in productivity and the share revenue growth, we’re hoping that that business gets to a mid teens ROE. So that is kind of a plan for 26, 27, 28, 29. The home loans business needs more leverage. As I said, it’s fully capitalized, the ROA is very healthy and the business is being managed extremely well. I talked about 25% kind of AUM growth year on year for the next three to four years.
And as they add leverage, you will see their ROE profile in the early teens very soon. So it only leaves the question is only on the private markets business how we can scale and how we can get that business close to a 12 to 13% ROE. But that will take two to three years. We need to build out more syndication. We need to build out more syndication even on the private equity side, not just the credit side. And we are hoping that we gain somewhat of market share because there is an uptick in retail and pa.
And we are hoping that we are able to do some other transactions on the distract book and plot some decent IRRs on the retail and TA space. So that’s kind of the plan for capital allocation I think we have. Our surplus cash has reduced yoy because of the investment made to buy out the minority investors of Credit Solutions. And going forward, the surplus capital will get deployed on the loan side because large part of the surplus sits in the in the private market space. As the loan book grows, it will get deployed.
Dhruvesh Sanghvi,
Yeah. Thank you. I think my other question got answered automatically. Thank you.
Vishal Kampani
Thank you.
operator
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen. Due to paucity of time, we take that as the last question and we conclude the question and answer session. I now hand over the conference to Mr. Vishal Kambhani for his closing comments.
Vishal Kampani
Thank you. Thank you very much for attending our call for the third quarter. If there were any unanswered questions, please reach out to us here for Nishant. We will be happy to clarify and give you all the answers. Thank you all very much and look forward to seeing you all for the annual results call.
operator
Thank you. On behalf of JM Financial limited. That concludes this conference call. Thank you for joining us and you may now disconnect your lines than.
Vishal Kampani
Thank you.