INDUSIND BANK LTD (NSE: INDUSINDBK) Q3 2026 Earnings Call dated Jan. 23, 2026
Corporate Participants:
Rajiv Anand — Managing Director and Chief Executive Officer
Viral Damania — Chief Financial Officer
Indrajit Yadav — Head of Investor Relations and Strategy
A. G. Sriram — Head of Consumer Finance
Analysts:
Kunal Shah — Analyst
Jai Mundhra — Analyst
Rikin Shah — Analyst
Chintan — Analyst
Abhishek Murarka — Analyst
Piran Engineer — Analyst
Ankit Bihani — Analyst
Parth Gutka — Analyst
Rikin Shah — Analyst
Presentation:
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Ladies and gentlemen, good day and welcome to Indus and Bank Limited Q3FY26 earnings conference call. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen only mode and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. Should you need assistance during this conference call, please signal an operator by pressing Star then zero on your Dashton phone.
I now hand the conference over to Mr. Rajeev Anand, Managing Director and CEO Indusin Bank. Thank you and over to you Mr. Anand.
Rajiv Anand — Managing Director and Chief Executive Officer
Good evening and thank you everyone for joining us today. I’m joined here by the senior management team of Indusin Bank. I’ll start with a quick overview on the macro environment and then go into bank specific developments. The global environment remains uncertain with shifting trade policies and a possible tilt towards a multipolar world order. Amidst this backdrop, the Indian economy continues to demonstrate resilience. Demand indicators improved during the quarter building on the festival season uptick, GST led benefits and better supply conditions. High frequency data indicates that overall activity stayed firm post the festival season though a few indicators softened on a higher base.
Inflation outlook remains benign and policy support is expected to continue towards growth acceleration. Bank credit growth improved across key sectors during this quarter and the momentum is expected to continue supported by policy measures and constructive macro environment. We will now move to the key highlights of Q3FY26 and then cover business specific progress and financial performance. We continued our approach of rightsizing the balance sheet by shedding inefficient assets and liabilities and allocating growth capital towards areas of focus. Our average deposits degrew by 1% driven entirely by the reduction in bulk deposits. The average retail deposits were stable Q on Q and grew albeit modestly on a period end basis.
As a consequence, share of retail deposits inched up from 47.2 47.5% from 47% Q1Q. On the asset side, disbursements were robust in the vehicle finance, retail and granular corporate book. However, our average loan book degrew 2% driven by continued rundown in microfinance loans and risk reward driven calibration in the corporate book. Slippages during the quarter have been range bound in all businesses except micro finance loans. Slippages in the microfinance loans remained elevated as last quarter. We have implemented stringent underwriting norms earlier this year. These norms have shown effect as incremental stress formation is reducing. Consistently.
We continue to work towards reduction in outstanding stress book as is evident in Q1Q, reduction in net NPA, net security receipts and the restructured book. We have made considerable progress on streamlining of the organization structure and identifying the right talent to drive the bank’s future growth. Since the last analyst call, we have onboarded a new Head of Wholesale Bank, Chief Human Resources Officer, Chief Data Officer, a new CEO for BPhil, head of a MSME Business and Head Digital among others. There are a few more positions expected to be announced in this quarter. With this, the top leadership team will largely be in place.
I’m confident that the strengthened leadership team with diverse experience is well positioned to deliver on our strategic agenda. We are also pleased to welcome Mr. Arjit Basu as our new chairman, bringing over four decades of leadership experience in the Indian banking industry. I also want to thank Mr. Sunil Mehta upon completion of his tenure as Chairman for his steadfast leadership and unwavering support through challenging times. The financial outcome for Q3 our pre provision operating profit at 2270 crores grew 11%. Q on Q supported by improved net revenues and disciplined cost management provisions remain high given elevated flows in the microfinance business and write off of accumulated NPAs.
As a result, profit after tax for the quarter was at 128 crores. The capital adequacy remains healthy at CET1 of 15.74% and CRAR at 16.94%. I will now take you through the highlights of individual businesses, vehicle finance, the vehicle industry and consequently our vehicle finance business saw robust momentum during the quarter. On the back of GST changes announced by the government, our vehicle disbursements at 12,900 crores increased by 26% Q1Q. As a result, the vehicle finance loan book growth inched up by 2% Q1Q compared to the muted growth over the last couple of quarters. The loan book now stands at 98,196 crores.
We saw broad based pickup in disbursements across vehicle categories led by MHCVs, tractors and passenger vehicles. The gross and net slippages have shown improvement on a YOY basis for all three quarters of this year. We expect the trend to continue in Q4 as well resulting in a full year FY26 asset quality outcome which is expected to be better than FY25. Looking ahead, we remain optimistic about vehicle demand supported by fiscal and monetary measures already announced. Any further consumption supportive or tax relief measures in the upcoming union budget will bolster this outlook. Rural and Priority Banking I believe rural banking presents a large underserved opportunity and expanding our presence here remains a key strategic opportunity.
Scaling products beyond microfinance allows us to address this opportunity in a more diversified and granular manner while also supporting our PSL requirements. The Bharat Financial Inclusion Limited BPhil is now led by Tapobrath Chowdhury as MD and CEO. Tapobrath is a seasoned leader with over 26 years of experience in the microfinance, retail and rural lending businesses. As mentioned earlier, the bank has tightened the asset quality norms for microfinance loans. Earlier this year we have seen an improvement in early stress indicators. We continue to monitor the collection efficiency and aim to move towards normalization in the coming months.
31 to 90 days past due was 2.4% in December 25 versus 3.2% in September 25. We have also gradually started increasing our micro loan disbursements within our revised underwriting framework. Our micro loan disbursements were 3,598 crores during the quarter. However, given the contractual rundowns of over 6,300 crores during the quarter, our micro loan business degrew by 17% Q on Q to 17,669 crores. Disbursements during the quarter were directed towards high vintage well performing customers and centers and is currently under the process of being covered under the CGFMU Credit guarantee which will take the CGMFU covered to around 38% of the standard book as of December 25th.
While early bucket stress indicators have shown improvements, our focus continues to be on a sustainable normalization rather than the near term book growth with reinforced underwriting, tighter controls and new leadership. At BPhil, we are committed to growing this portfolio in a calibrated and risk aware manner. In terms of our other rural products, we have shown a few of our rural focused product portfolios which have reached certain scale in our investor presentation. Our aim is to build a comprehensive suite of products tailored to the rural customer needs. Within this we continue to scale our merchant loan book which now stands at 7,338 crores growing 16% YoY spread over 579,000 merchant borrowers.
Our affordable housing loan booked at 2,692 crores grew 25% YoY while the Kisan Credit and other rural loans at 4,267 remained steady. Q1Q our consumer banking Assets these are traditional retail assets which will be the key growth driver as we build universal banking franchise. Our home loan book continues to see strong momentum with outstanding of 6114 crores growing 94% YoY and 10% Q1Q personal loans at 10,598 crores grew 12% YoY and the credit card loan book at 10,264 degrew by 6% YoY. As we remain watchful of asset quality trends, credit card spends for the quarter were at 16,318 crores.
We rationalized some of our spends which were not efficient for the bank or on an overall profitability basis. The retail spends remain robust growing 5% Q1Q overall consumer banking assets at 31,057 crores grew 18% y oi SME banking as you all know, India has a large and vibrant SME segment. The bank has a relatively small presence in this space. I believe this provides us a large opportunity to diversify our loan book and provide the next growth booster. We have strengthened our team in this space with Ramaswamy Gopal Krishnan joining us as Head Commercial Banking and Middle Market at the bank.
Ramaswamy or Ramas is a veteran in this segment with over two decades of experience across leading foreign and private sector banks. In this role, Ramaswamy will spear at the bank strategy and businesses in the SME in mid market mid market segments with a strong focus on driving growth, deepening client relationships and delivering innovative solutions to these critical sectors. We are reorganizing our structure to serve the segment with appropriate distribution. The portfolio currently stands at 43,957 crores and there is robust scope for us to grow in the years to come. As we disclosed earlier, Ganesh Sankaran has joined us as Head Wholesale Banking at Indusil.
Ganesh brings over three decades of experience across wholesale retail, credit and SME, playing a pivotal role in building businesses, driving large scale business transformations and delivering consistent performance. We have revised our coverage model to ensure optimal management and customer responsiveness across client segments, strengthening our position as a universal franchise and staying aligned with our strategic business objectives. Our strategy for the Wholesale bank group specifically anchors around continued granularization of the franchise, expanding growth frontiers, building sustainable and cost effective liability franchise and a future ready organization for superior client experience. We have started with rationalizing exposures where we don’t see meaningful risk adjusted returns even a few quarters down the road.
As a consequence, our wholesale banking loans degrew by 5% Q1Q. The proportion of A and above rated customers and the weighted average rating of the wholesale bank portfolio was at 82% and 2.54 respectively. The asset quality remains healthy with gross and net slippages remaining within our expected range. The GEMS enrolled business to maintain robust collections with no SMA one or two customers now coming to liabilities. The quantity and quality of deposits is my foremost priority and a bulk of my attention and resources are allocated towards this. We have already made considerable progress in terms of streamlining organizational structures, strengthening the branch as a focal point, prioritizing digital delivery and enabling frontline relationship managers.
We integrated affluent pioneer branch operations and the entire NR segments into branch banking, creating a unified retail banking model across our deposit branches that enhances scale, unlocks synergies and shifts us towards a more customer centric branch led engagement framework for a high quality and consistent service delivery. We have multiple variants of branches through vehicle, microfinance and mainstream branches with restricted bouquet of offerings available in these branches. We are now consolidating multiple formats and making them universal branches in suitable locations. This should drive synergy for both assets and liabilities. In leveraging our existing distribution, we have also created a new senior leadership position as Chief Data Officer to effectively and efficiently use data analytics in all the decisions that we make.
Balaji Narayanmoorthy in this role will be responsible to drive the bank’s data strategy, business intelligence, advanced analytics, AI initiatives and data engineering capabilities. Our digital banking app Indie now has monthly active users of over 2.7 million customers conducting 4.3 million app led transactions in Q3FY26. Our recently launched Indy for Business has seen monthly active user base increase by 220,000 MSME customers. Our focused efforts on enhancing efficiency in customer acquisition has started showing early results in terms of improving new to bank growth as well as productivity across channels. We should see this translating into revival in retail deposits in the coming quarters.
Cost of deposits for the quarter at 6.09 improved by 14 basis points. Q and Q largely driven by term deposit repricing. We reduced our dependence on Bulk Resources with CDS down 3%, Q on Q and borrowings at 39,242 crores down 13%. Q on Q. We have maintained a healthy liquidity position during the quarter with average LCR at 122% and average surplus liquidity at 43,000 crores.
I will now hand over to Viral our CFO to take you through the financial performance.
Viral Damania — Chief Financial Officer
Thanks Rajiv and good evening everyone. Similar to last quarter, we will focus on sequential trends all through my commentary. Let me now go through some of the details starting with the balance sheet. Average advances dropped 2% sequentially from quarter two driven by decline in wholesale banking advances and micro loan book. Average deposits dropped 1% driven by reduction in wholesale deposits. Retail deposits as per LCR perspective remained steady. Average TD ratio improved to 83.7% versus 84.3 quarter on quarter. Borrowings have been brought down by 13% quarter on quarter. Moving on to P and L, net interest income for Q3 stood at 4,562 crores.
Reported NIM was 3.52% and this included a 17 basis benefit from interest on income tax refunds and a one off interest recovery. So normalized NIM adjusting for these items was 3.35% versus 3.32 quarter on quarter and that reflects improvement in cost of funds from TD repricing and liquidity optimization which was partially offset by adverse loan mix. With further degrowth in the micro loans book. 4 fee income has come in at 1575 crores growing 2% quarter on quarter while overall non interest income at 1707 crores grew 3% quarter on quarter. Our operating expenses of 3999 crores includes 230 crores of one off impact owing to provisions related to change in the Labor Code.
The operating profit for the quarter at 2,270 crores grew 11% quarter on quarter. Provisions and contingencies for the quarter stood at 2096 crores and we have written off loans amounting to 2612 crores during this quarter. In terms of asset quality, GNPA and NNPA were at 3.56 and 1.04% and overall PCR was maintained at 72%. Slippages excluding micro loans continued to remain range bound. We’ve also added segment wise slippages and NPA details in our Investor presentation. Our SMA1 and SMA2 book was at 17 basis versus 26 basis quarter on quarter, net security receipts declined to 9 basis versus 17 basis quarter on quarter and restructured advances declined to 7 basis versus 8 basis quarter on quarter.
So overall we returned to quarterly profitability with profit after tax of 128 crores and the bank continues to have healthy capital adequacy and liquidity position with the CET1 at 15.74% and CRR of 16.94% and LCR at 122%.
So with that let me now hand it over back to Rajiv.
Rajiv Anand — Managing Director and Chief Executive Officer
Thank you Viral. To summarize, this quarter reflects progress on balance sheet, strengthening gradual pickup in core retail businesses, disciplined liability optimization and progress on building a robust leadership team and organizational structure. Looking ahead we are working on a three year strategy anchored around pace. Protect the endowments, accelerate on key priorities Customer centricity and execution excellence protect the endowments. I believe the bank has unique strengths in terms of vehicle finance, deep rural presence complemented with a robust corporate franchise. We aim to preserve this and not make changes for the sake of making changes. We will bolster these and evolve as per the operating environment and they will remain core to the future of this bank.
Accelerate key priorities. These are areas where we need to improve either of scale efficiency or quality of business. We do these inter alia, including building a more granular, low cost deposit base, scaling our SME and mid market franchise and improving stakeholder perceptions. Customer centricity. We are keeping the customer at the center of all our actions by unifying engagement across one industry, driving digital adoption and elevating service quality. The ever evolving technology will play a big role in bridging if not surpassing the gap with peers. Execution excellence. I believe execution rigor should differentiate the outcomes in an industry which is regulated and and largely commoditized.
We’re working towards building a strong execution oriented culture, sharper performance accountability, tighter cost management and efficient product delivery. With this we are now open to Q and A. I must also inform you that we have revamped our investor presentation providing much more disclosures. We will continue to refine these as we progress and any feedback on this is most welcome. Thank you and over to all of you.
Questions and Answers:
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Kunal Shah
Yeah, hi. So first question is on net npa. When we look at it net NPA.
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Kunal Shah
Yeah. Are you able to hear me?
Rajiv Anand
Yes, I can hear you Kunath.
Kunal Shah
Yeah. Yeah. So the first question was on net NPA it is still at 1.04 and slippages also appear to be sticky across the segment. So when we look at it like say mfi yeah it’s been at still more than thousand odd crores but vehicles still continuing at 690. When we look at the consumer banking still closer to like 470 odd crores. So there, there is not much of an improvement on this slippage and eventually when we look at it on the net NPA side, we indicated that we would endeavor to bring it down to 0.4 0.5 odd percent. But it doesn’t seem like there has been the increase in the provisioning coverage. So if you can share in terms of what would be the plans with respect to net npa.
Viral Damania
Hi, this is Biral. Let me just share some perspective on what’s really happening here. So what we shared in the previous quarter is we want to make sure that we are consistent in our provisioning and write off policies across our business segments. What you saw in the last quarter was the appropriate provisioning and write off on the micro finance business. But as you rightly pointed out, gross slippages have been pretty much sustained even in this quarter as well. It’s pretty much same elevated levels as the previous quarter. And as we keep writing off, what happens is the portion we are writing off is largely 100% provided, right? So that kind of brings down the provisioning because you write off that portion and then we are providing on the incremental slippages at the appropriate level of provisioning.
So what you will see is the PCR being stable and as slippages start dropping in subsequent quarters you will see that improve. But PCR is an outcome, right? It’s not like we are maintaining provisions to be at a number, but it’s simply the impact of large write off that we are doing in a more prudent manner which really brings down the PC and then you build it back up with normal provisioning. So that’s kind of what’s really happening there.
Kunal Shah
So any target for net npm?
Rajiv Anand
See I think Kunal, what the aim is to bring down the stress book through write offs etc. But I think we need to keep the interests of all our stakeholders in mind. Our intent is to bring down net NPA well below 1% in the 6070 basis points vicinity over a period of time.
Kunal Shah
Got it. And in terms of their entire right, sizing of the balance sheet both on assets as well as on the liability side, where are we in that journey? How much time would it actually take in terms of maybe the running down the bulk and maybe the low yielding corporate book as well. And when should we start seeing the acceleration in the overall loan growth? No doubt on the retail side and some of the focus segments the growth has still been there. But when do we start seeing the overall growth picking up?
Rajiv Anand
Like I mentioned, in the last quarter as well, Kunal, Our intent is to grow in line with market in the year 2627 and be in the vicinity of 1% ROA as we get to the back end of that year.
Kunal Shah
Got it. So industry average growth by end of FY27.
Rajiv Anand
That’s correct.
Kunal Shah
Okay, thanks. That’s helpful. Yeah, thanks. Thanks. And all the best.
Rajiv Anand
Yeah, thank you.
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Thank you. Next question is from the line of Jamundra from ICICI securities. Please go ahead.
Jai Mundhra
Yeah. Hi, good evening Rajiv. And yeah, and thanks for the improved disclosure. Sir. Sir, on presentation and in your opening remarks you also mentioned that there is, you know, some improving trends on MFI in terms of new delinquency or new stress formation. If you can provide SMA 12 number for MFI that will ideally give more picture. You have given some certain disclosures but somehow the absolute number of SMA 12 would be really helpful.
Rajiv Anand
We have, I think we have mentioned in the opening remark the SMA 1 and 2:30 to 90 DPD is 2.4% against 3.2% last quarter.
Jai Mundhra
Okay, sure. Thanks Indrajit. And. On the pace strategy. Right. So I mean you mentioned that PACE would mean, I mean the protection as. Well as acceleration of some businesses. Where would MFI would fall into this framework? Would it be like acceleration or would it be like protection?
Rajiv Anand
I think, I believe that and I mentioned this in the last quarter as well. I think the microfinance business is a very critical business for this bank and for multiple reasons. I think it is a business that if run well is a very profitable one. Two and more as important perhaps is as the industry continues to grow, I do believe that meeting PSL and particularly agri and within that the small and marginal farmer is going to become increasingly difficult. And here is an engine that meets that requirement for us. And so therefore, both from a profitability perspective, the fact that we are able to now start to grow other products within this space, which is our Bharat Superstore business, which I spoke about as well.
And the fact that this is going to meet our critical PSL requirements makes this a very important business for us. We also recognize the fact that it is cyclical in nature. And therefore, as I said in my opening remarks as well, we are using the credit guarantee schemes and the aim, you know, based on the 31 December disbursals, we will have coverage of approximately about 38%. The intent is to take that to 100% and thereby eliminating the tail risk on the microfinance business. So if you are able to do that and manage the proportionality of of the business somewhere between 7 to 8% of our of the asset side, I do believe that we can build a more predictable and profitable microfinance business going forward.
Jai Mundhra
Sure, that helps Rajiv. And last question, sir, you mentioned that you have intention to grow in line. With the system by FY27. But I mean would you, would it be fair to say that on a Q OQ basis the bank should now be on a growth track or it could be maybe beginning from FY27. How would you put in the overall loan growth?
Rajiv Anand
I don’t want to guide Q on Q, but I think, you know, I stand by what I said last quarter that our intent is to grow in line with the industry, you know, in 26, 27.
Jai Mundhra
Thank you and all the listeners.
Rajiv Anand
Thank you.
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Thank you. Next question is from IIFL Capital. Please go ahead.
Rikin Shah
Hi, good evening everyone. I had three questions. So the first one is, you know, going back to the net NPA point. So you know, just some back of the envelope calculation suggests that if we have to bring down our net NPA 2.5 0.6% and given the net slippages that we have, it looks like for next 3/4 whatever P pop we make will largely be used to just provide and bring down that net npa. So is it a fair assessment to say that for next few more quarters the operating profitability will just be used to kind of bring down the net npa? Or how would you think about it? Otherwise it looks tough to achieve 0.5 0.6% net NPA.
So that’s number one. Second, Rajiv, it’s on your earlier point on the pace strategy. While you briefly alluded to what are the segments that you want to focus on, etc. But any broad level detailed strategy or the financial targets you would want to put it down as yet or maybe that will happen at some point later. So that’s the second one and the third one is on the capital. Right. So I know that you mentioned in the past the capital levels are sufficient. But first if you could quantify what is the potential impact from the ECL whenever the transition happens from the 1st of April on the net worth on pro forma basis and the fact that while the roes are depressed and once you start growing again, you’ll be consuming capital.
So what looks like as sufficient? I’m not pretty sure whether we have enough growth capital. So what would be your thoughts on capital raise and if and when that happens? So those are my three questions. Thanks.
Rajiv Anand
So let me take question two and question three first. So on the base strategy we will obviously we have done some work and the intent this time is to see the idea that there is a long term strategy that is being built out, we will obviously share more details with you in the months to come. That I assure you. I think as far as capital is concerned, I think the issue there is really that why do I need capital at this stage? I would first stay focused on getting growth impulses back, particularly on the liability side, because I think we have enough engines of growth on the asset side, including some of the new engines that I spoke about, like SME for example.
And I think that, like I said, will take us deep into 26, 27. And so therefore to that extent, growth capital is not something that we require and even if we do consume at a relatively lower roe roa, I think we have more than sufficient, at least for the next 12 to 18 months. What was I’ll let Viral answer the net NPA question.
Viral Damania
Sure. So let me break that into two parts. Right. First is.
Rajiv Anand
The ECL impact as well. Yeah, Viral will take that.
Viral Damania
So let me answer the first question and break it into two parts. First is your point about saying entire or large chunk of depop go towards servicing credit provisioning. Now that’s an outcome of the level of slippages that that come out right now it’s true that for past two quarters they’ve been elevated, but we are seeing clear signs of that coming down in the next quarter. So as that starts dropping, you will obviously see a much lower level of credit provisioning. So that kind of answers your first question about are we going to continue eating up all our people? Now your second question about net npa.
Right. Again, we are going to be following the very consistent provisioning policies and that’s something we’ve done from the last quarter itself and we will continue to do that. So as the NPAs start dropping, the absolutes also start dropping. Right. So that’s really how that net NP number starts coming down. So that kind of answers the first question on ecl. I think our impact, we need to await the final guidelines on Eclipse, but our initial impact is between 1.5% of the loan book to 1.7% pre tax.
Rikin Shah
So on the net NPA point in your own assessment, when do you really think that we should be able to reach our target range? Is it like FY27 or you would want to do it a lot more gradually, maybe over until even FY28 as well.
Indrajit Yadav
We will evaluate every quarter, depending on how the revenues are pacing out, how the asset quality pans out in some of the large businesses. So we don’t want to guide a specific target or anything. Let’s see how each quarter goes and then we will update you.
Rikin Shah
Thanks Indrajit. Thank you everyone.
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Thank you. Next question is from line of abhishek Murarka from HSBC. Please go ahead.
Abhishek Murarka
Yeah, hi. So Rajiv, one question on growth. Now I know you guided for FY27 but if we look at two, three years on a more steady state basis where do you what kind of growth are you aspiring to?
Rajiv Anand
I think the way I am thinking about this is basically year one which is 26, 27 grow in line with market. 2728 start to gain market share and 2829 start to dominate in some of the focus areas that we have built out.
Abhishek Murarka
When you say gain market share would you have a certain, let’s say spread to industry or something in mind or a number maybe given the size and reacceleration in growth.
Rajiv Anand
See I think I don’t have a number offhand. So for example some of our large businesses, for example our vehicle finance business, you know we have about a 7.5% ish market share. Our intent is to take that back to 9% as we go forward. Similarly we will continue to gain market share on our microfinance business as we accelerate our SME businesses in the short to medium term I am fairly certain that we will be able to gain market share. But I think the key to all this is to be able to improve both the quality and quantity on the liability side.
And as we all know there is a mad scramble for deposit deposits in the banking system. And so therefore I am actually not very concerned about being able to gain market share on the asset side. I think the challenge for us will certainly be to be able to improve the quality and quantity of liabilities as we go forward.
Abhishek Murarka
Right. And just in terms of the micro finance slippage, I know the SMA 1 and 2 number looks actually quite good but does it indicate that, I mean from 4Q onwards the slippage should come down materially because you know if you look at the rest of the industry they are already in that phase and I guess for you you may be like 1/4 off but shouldn’t be more than that. Is that a fair assumption?
Rajiv Anand
It is.
Abhishek Murarka
Okay, perfect. Yeah. And finally, you know it will help just to get some sense on a medium term ROA aspiration. It may, it may be you know, three years, four years down the line. But just from a steady state perspective where do you think you can get get to and some sort of bridge to it or what? Will be the key levers. At least you know, going forward. Something like that would be really useful so that you can get a sort of view beyond 27.
Rajiv Anand
I think it’s a fair ask, you know, which is why, you know, we decided to see the idea of pace, you know, with all of you and we will share more details which will give you color, the possibility of execution, the execution rigor that is, that is going into, into all of that in due course.
Abhishek Murarka
Got it. Okay, thank you. And all the.
operator
Thank you. Next question is from line of Chintan from autonomous. Please go ahead.
Chintan
Hi, thank you for taking my question. I also have three questions. Can I follow up on your last answer regarding the ROA bridge? You know, over the next two, three months, you know, you’re bound to talk to investors, they’re bound to ask you this question. You will give some color. We will hear that feedback. It would be helpful if you will give us some idea about, you know, what that bridge looks like, you know, what are the kind of main levers that you have on cost of risk. We can obviously assume some amount of normalization, but you know, where are your cost of funds going? You know, what is your asset mix kind of going to add to that ROE bridge.
So some color there. If you could see that now as well, that would be helpful. My second question is on your slippages, you hindered to your policy change on slippages. Could you help us quantify that if you were on your old policy, what would that slippage number be so we can understand the policy change? How much of that slippage is driven by that? And then my final question is why are vehicle finance slippages running at a higher pace or being high for a while or what’s driving that and what is the road to improvement?
Rajiv Anand
So on the ROA question, I think what I’ve been saying is that this is a three year journey. Year one is really to start to grow in line with market with 1% ROA. And I think you can do some numbers on your own given some of the commentary that you have heard from us. The vehicle finance and microfinance business will continue to be a critical component for us, that is higher yielding assets. We will add the SME business and to some degree defocus on the very large corporate business that we have. There is space for us to be able to grow our entire agri franchise including gold loans which will help us meet some of our PSL requirements as well.
I think given where we are on cost of funds and utilization, including its Renewed focus on current accounts should benefit us from improved cost of funds in the medium term. We are already working on a fairly elaborate cost takeout. If you look at cost to assets currently there is a bit of a denominator effect because of the fact that assets are not growing. But there is the cost to assets continue to be elevated as well. So there is no, as I look across the ROA tree, I think there is opportunities for us to, to improve pretty much on each of these lines on the nims, you know, through some benefits on cost of funds, I think fee incomes, both on assets, both on retail and corporate, some cost takeouts and be able to reduce credit costs as we go forward.
So I think in that sense you can clearly see that there are opportunities. I think the question really is how long will it take for us to execute all this? To my mind, I think it’s a three year journey at least.
Chintan
That was very helpful. The other two questions.
Rajiv Anand
Sorry, your other two questions were while vehicle finance slippage is high. Let me just ask Shiram, who heads that business to take this please.
A. G. Sriram
Yeah, good evening. Slippage will be better than the last year. The slippage will be like both on absolute terms and on percentage terms lower than last year. We are expecting 20 basis point lowering of slippage during this current year. Having said that, like the vehicle and the entire industry like particularly Myanmar TV has been going through a bit of a strain because of the GST norm changes. People have been taking 28% and discounting the rates to customer which has caught them out a bit. But having said that, it is a good thing for the industry on the long run. People, all the entire industry will be benefited by such move and the rest of the products like we are doing much, much better than the last year. Thank you.
Chintan
Thank you. And then finally on that slippages question, the policy changes impact on the slippages.
Viral Damania
Yeah, let me answer that. So slippages is not policy driven, right? That’s basically IRAC norms and normal identification of npa. So that is not policy driven. What is driven by policy is at what point do you write off and what is the quantum of provisioning that you need to do now? That change again, that’s not something you’ve done this quarter. You saw that last quarter where we changed or upped our provisioning maintenance on the micro finance business and also at what point do we write off? So both those changes were made in the last quarter itself and it’s not at this quarter event. But nothing to do with slippages. That’s more on write off and provisioning.
Chintan
Thank you.
operator
Thank you. Next question is from Lanav Piran, engineer from CLSA India. Please go.
Piran Engineer
Yeah, hi and thanks for the enhanced disclosures. Just firstly quick data or quarterly question? The other OPEX has declined quite meaningfully quarter on quarter from about 2700 close to 2400. Anything to related to this?
Viral Damania
So again let me try and answer that. If you look at quarter on quarter comparison, first point to make is We’ve already absorbed 228 crores impact simply from the labor law change where the gratuity provisioning need to be up. So that’s already built into a quarter three expenses and you are right that if you adjust for that expense have actually come down roughly 240 crores for the quarter on quarter. Now there is some amount of impact from higher expenses that we booked in quarter two like a GST provisioning and also we changed some of the expenses related to business activities.
So some of that, that is 150 crore all from there and remaining 96 crores is a real save that we’ve achieved through operational excellence and all the initiatives that we are trying to do. So yes, we are calibrating expenses very tightly and tracking that to bring in the OPEX efficiency. So as Rajiv said, we’re going to be focusing on bringing down the OPEX percentage because we do believe there is opportunity there.
Piran Engineer
Got it. Okay. Thanks for that. Secondly, moving on to more questions, with the MFI share shrinking, I know you touched upon how it’s important from from a PSL perspective but it’s already down from like 9% to 6% of book in the last two quarters and probably a year later it might be even lower. So how are we thinking about bridging the gap? And you also mentioned your Bharat Super Shop which is the merchant loan business. Does that also qualify for PSS.
Rajiv Anand
On the. But not. Obviously not. I agree.
Piran Engineer
So it won’t be SMF but it’ll still be general category .
Rajiv Anand
MSME, it will be under msme. It is bsm.
Piran Engineer
Okay. Whereas the MFI business was under MSME or under SMF or agree . So we are losing the SMF contribution from the MFI business but we are gaining it in the msme. But net net.
Rajiv Anand
It’s not an either or. Okay. Sorry. Let me. I’m sorry. Why don’t you finish your question?
Piran Engineer
So I mean Rajiv.
Rajiv Anand
I’m losing you.
Piran Engineer
Sorry. Is it better now?
operator
But we are losing your audio. Can you come in a Better reception area please.
Piran Engineer
Yeah, I am now. Is it better now?
Rajiv Anand
Much better, yeah.
Piran Engineer
So just, let’s talk about just SMF category then. How do we intend to bridge the gap with our share of MFI going down?
Rajiv Anand
So as we, you know, we’ve explained over the last couple of quarters, we have seen DE growth on the, on the MFI book over the last two quarters including this quarter. Having said that, there has been a significant increase in disbursals in this quarter really from the middle of October. Ish. And so therefore to that extent the full benefit of disbursals will come through in quarter four when disbursals will be higher than the repayments that we receive and the book will start to grow from Q4 onwards. So the degrowth that you have seen we should be able to recoup as we get into 26, 27 helping us fixing one, the proportionality that you spoke about and two, is meeting our requirements, meeting a significant component of our requirements for agri and smf.
Piran Engineer
Okay, okay, fair enough. Secondly, I think while I understand you don’t want to give the drivers of the improvement in roa, but even if I assume that, you know, slippages in MFI half from where they are, the credit cost might improve, you know, 50bps or so, it it’s still quite a hard task to get to 1% ROA within the next five quarters. And on top of that we want to grow at 12, 13% next year. So just trying to think about, you know, what are the risks here really? One thing you’ve already identified is that ability to raise deposits at scale and at a lower cost. But I don’t know, I think it seems like a stretch or am I reading it wrong?
Rajiv Anand
Let’s see how each quarter goes. As we have been saying, it’s not going to be a given thing that RO improvement will happen every quarter without doing anything. Bulk of the improvement will come from credit costs. Last quarter we had or this quarter quarter three credit cost is 2.6% bank as you know, has operated at 130, 140 basis points when microfinance was at around 10, 11%. So with the micro finance at a lower share, obviously the business has to operate at a much lower credit cost. So there is a significant scope for improvement. Plus the margin that we are delivering today, the fees that we are delivering today, they are lower than what their potential is.
So there is scope across the board. But giving exact bridge right now is too early. As you can see, every week things are changing. Every quarter Things are changing. So let’s take one quarter at a time and that’s why we are not giving you quarter specific guidance. Let’s reach 1% first. Some of you have actually asked us other way around is saying that 1% is too low for a bank of your loan mix. So let’s take one step at a time and then revisit.
Piran Engineer
But if you had to sacrifice one of the two, what would it be like the growth target which is maintaining market share, which effectively means 12, 13% growth or the 1% ROA.
Rajiv Anand
I think for a banking business, writing growth, particularly on the corporate side, which is not profitable, is very easy to do. And so therefore the composition of the growth is as important and what part of that growth we are sacrificing is as important as well. Because remember that we are a relatively small player in the larger, in the banking industry and so therefore I don’t think it’s an either or in a very simplistic term in a sense. I mean if things, if push comes to shove, yes, there is opportunities for us to be able to shed growth without impacting ppop.
So stuff like that we will certainly do if, if required if push comes to shove.
Piran Engineer
Okay, that’s it from my end. Thanks and wish you all the best.
Rajiv Anand
Thank you so much.
operator
Thank you. Next question is from. From 361 Capital. Please go ahead.
Parth Gutka
Yeah, hi, thanks a lot for the opportunity. What would be the drag on LCR on once the LTR new. New LCR knocks in.
Rajiv Anand
New LCR norms?
Parth Gutka
Yeah, from. From the 1st of April on the mobile and the Internet banking.
Rajiv Anand
There is a small impact. It’s not going to be a big impact because of that.
operator
Thank you. Next question is from line of Riggin Shah from IFL Capital, please go ahead.
Rikin Shah
Hi Viral, this is the question to you. You earlier mentioned that the write off and provisioning policy were changed last quarter. Would you be able to just remind us what those changes are and what’s the current right of provisioning policy?
Viral Damania
Thanks. So obviously that’s different across various segments of the business as in vehicle finance, consumer and secured microfinance. I think the biggest driver for us is clearly the microfinance business. So the change we really made last quarter is the point at which we write off. So we are now writing off at 365 days post NPA. That’s one change that we made. And on provisioning it’s staggered depending on the number of months outstanding post NPA but broadly somewhere between 78 to 80% kind of PCR on that book. So that’s really the key change on the rest. We just aligned it to where are, you know, the LDD kind of number where we need to be on provisioning level.
Rikin Shah
Okay, thank you.
operator
Thank you. Next question is from Land of Ankit Biani from Nomura. Please go ahead.
Ankit Bihani
Yes, hi. Thank you for the opportunity. I just wanted to ask if the BI annual supervisory outcome has been done like it has been done for other. Large banks with respect to agripsl, has. There been any impact of that?
Rajiv Anand
The RBI discussions with the bank are confidential in nature. We don’t, we won’t be in a position to comment on it till the discussions are conclusive. As and when required, we will make whatever announcements are there so difficult to comment on it. We’ll give any information as and when it is appropriate.
Ankit Bihani
Okay. And the second question is what would be our exposure to Adani Group?
Rajiv Anand
We don’t disclose company level exposure. We had disclosed this specifically in stock exchange two years back when there were some market news. Since then the exposure has come down a little bit.
Ankit Bihani
Okay, thank you.
operator
Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. We’ll take that as the last question. I’ll now hand the conference over to Mr. Rajiv Anand for closing comments.
Rajiv Anand
I thank each one of you for your interest in Indusin bank and for being on this call. I take this opportunity to wish each one of you a very happy New Year as well. Thank you once again.
operator
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